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Moyes Vindicated?
  • Blue Linnet
    Posts: 61
    I don't think so, better than the Derby, and the ref an obvious black cat, but for all their rest still not good enough.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002

    Nope, we would of started the better team and kept the momentum had we won on tuesday.

    and the replay also gives us 3 games in just 6 days, it will be interesting to see how moyes handles this.


  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    tickets11 said:

    Nope, we would of started the better team and kept the momentum had we won on tuesday.

    and the replay also gives us 3 games in just 6 days, it will be interesting to see how moyes handles this.




    The difference is, Sunderalnd will have 3 games in a week too!
  • scouse48
    Posts: 609
    So why exactly did Moyes play a weakened team against the rs,can anyone tell me.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    A more pertanent question.....why exactly are people talking like its a given we would have won on Tuesday with the same team as today when Tuesday nights team had MORE players who contributed to our unbeaten run?

    Its not as if there was much if any difference in the quality of the players on the pitch or much if any difference in the number of players who have played little to no recent Prem football
  • Blue Linnet
    Posts: 61

    scouse48 said:

    So why exactly did Moyes play a weakened team against the rs,can anyone tell me.


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    And he still refuses to admit he shafted us
  • Blue Linnet
    Posts: 61
    Beano said:

    A more pertanent question.....why exactly are people talking like its a given we would have won on Tuesday with the same team as today when Tuesday nights team had MORE players who contributed to our unbeaten run?

    Its not as if there was much if any difference in the quality of the players on the pitch or much if any difference in the number of players who have played little to no recent Prem football


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    My beef is not that we lost the derby but that we simply didn't turn up, defeat is one thing rolling out the red carpet is another, everybody knows he screwed up big time, and it cost us big time too, 3pts surrendered without a fight only meddling Moyes would change a winning team so dramatically for a local derby.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    Blue Linnet said:

    My beef is not that we lost the derby but that we simply didn't turn up, defeat is one thing rolling out the red carpet is another, everybody knows he screwed up big time, and it cost us big time too, 3pts surrendered without a fight only meddling Moyes would change a winning team so dramatically for a local derby.



    The only dramatic change I saw was Jagielka for Heitinga.

  • MrRight
    Posts: 50
    so if we played a stonger team and got beat 1-0 and then got beat today would you be happy -- NO so give it a rest. It over with so let's get behind Moyes for the next few games
  • cjohno
    Posts: 5,454
    WE WERE RUBISH TODAY AS WELL as tuesday , biggest week for a long time and moyes came up short simple as, he sacrificed the derby for today, but to be honest we played totally **** poor, our attitude stunk from the first whistle , i think some players were still sulking from getting dropped for the derby, well done moyes , you put your eggs in one basket and pretty much fkd it up and embarrassed the everton supporters who paid good money to watch that joke of a team you put out tuesday ,
  • Blue Linnet
    Posts: 61
    MrRight said:

    so if we played a stonger team and got beat 1-0 and then got beat today would you be happy -- NO so give it a rest. It over with so let's get behind Moyes for the next few games


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    I'm never happy when we lose but if we play our strongest team and put a shift in then, I'd have no complaint with even the 3-0 derby defeat or todays quarter-final, but that isn't the case is it, we didn't win today, and Moyes now has an extra game to think about. For teams with little cash to succeed they need an inventive, clever coach a master tactician, Moyes is anything but and I wouldn't get behind him if I was being shot at, 
  • Blue Linnet
    Posts: 61
    Beano said:

    Blue Linnet said:

    My beef is not that we lost the derby but that we simply didn't turn up, defeat is one thing rolling out the red carpet is another, everybody knows he screwed up big time, and it cost us big time too, 3pts surrendered without a fight only meddling Moyes would change a winning team so dramatically for a local derby.



    The only dramatic change I saw was Jagielka for Heitinga.

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    Moyes reverted back to the side which beat Tottenham for the game today, which meant 6 changes from his derby disaster, therefore he must have made 6 changes going into the derby. Who does that except for Moyes, we do not have a huge squad and therefore cannot afford to dick about with it ahead of important games and yes the derby is an important game to lifelong Evertonians like me, you give it your all. very poor judgement on Moyes behalf and dispite the fact he will not admit it, he knows it.




  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    One dramatic change?

    Any team that has Anichebe is a weakened side.
  • 1ceablue
    Posts: 3,253
    It was like having 6 new players.....
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    Pienaar and Straq played far bigger parts in our unbeaten run than the players they replaced. Pienaar doesn't even count as a change cos the only reason he didn't play against Spurs was cos he was ineligibe. He's one of our strongest 11 but counting him as a "new player" just suits the moan.

    Anichebe replacing Cahill is much of a muchness. Anichebe has 3 goals this season from only 3 or 4 games ffs.

    Hibbert for Neville is much of a muchness too!

    You have people who complain all season that Cahill and Neville start every game and then when they don't and we lose, people suddenly change to disapproving of that instead, again cos it suits the moan.

    Rodwell replaced Osman and Osman was just as short of match practice as Rodwell was. I was actually relieved it wasn't Neville in midfield cos that's what almost all of us were expecting!

    So yes. Jags for Heitinga was the only dramatic change.

    We had a much less match fit team starting the Spurs game but Nobody even notices cos we won. None of Coleman Osman or Jelavic had started a prem game in ages. In Jelavic's case, never. If doing it against Liverpool was such of a retarded thing to try, why wasn't trying it against Spurs too?

    Sick of talking about it now.
  • cahill1991
    Posts: 12
    Beano you are showing your usual lack of understanding of football, i am afraid.  6 players equalls over half the team, that had a massive impact on how the team played, end of. 
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    cahill1991 said:

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    Is someone with 12 posts familiar with my "usual" posts?

    6 players from only one game!

    Our team at Liverpool was a closer team to the players used over the 9 game unbeaten run than the team put out against Spurs was - which also had 3 players who weren't match fit - and Drenthe who Moyes has said he doesn't want to start against teams who'll have lots of possession. Why didn't you complain there?

    It's not as if that team even dominated a home game against a Tottenham team in very poor form.
  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    I agree with your comments that the changes were not as drastic as people are making out. Straq and Pienaar could not be considered as weakening the team and Hibbert or Neville makes little difference. I would even argue that on his day Jags is like for like with Heitinga but as he has been out for a while was a risk.

    My issue is that we put Rodwell on for Osman and therefore lost any passing ability we had in the middle. Also every game Rodwell and Felliani have played together we have performed poorly. Also although Vic has scored a couple of goals thats all he has offered. He was wandering all over the pitch lost and getting in the way. Also he never tracked back and ttherefore left us over exposed on the left. Pienaar also looked out of position playing through the middle at times. In all we looked lost and not up for it.

    I thought Moyes had overcome this need for two DM's and leaving us with no ability in the middle of the park to penetrate but we resorted back to it on Tuesday and gave them a free run at us.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,739
    I dont agree with any of this. But im pleased everyone is getting it off their chest.
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