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Posts: 36March 11 moyes has had a stock of players this year, Barkley, Oviedo, Hitzelsberger, Duffy, Velios that he has not played.. basically at all.
this has had a massive impact on the 2nd half of the season.
in the early parts of the season, games against Villa away, Swansea away games where we dominated he never drafted in the fringe players to keep the team fresh and all vying for their places.
what if Velios had grabbed 3 in 5 what if Barkley comes in and scores 2 in 4 he then gives himself options which he seems to strictly beleive he does not have.
if they didnt so what, they get minutes under their belts and it keeps the team fresh.
its always square pegs in round holes.
he has had so many options to chose from but has kept the teams strategy the same all season and like all teams you get worked out.
Fellaini is not a forward and teams are just hacking at him, yet the 20 goal (in greece) Kevin Mirrales is played out wide and never given a chance to show his potential up top.
the Naismith on the right saga was never ever going to work.. what was it in training that was seen that could have possibly led moyes to beleive he had what it takes to play that role?
then there was the big one: Phil "legs went 2011" Neville.
how have people like Barkley (who moyes claims will play for England one day) and ex German international Hitzelsberger not got a game over him?
how on earth is he starting a premiership match anymore?
i have spoken to many people that go the games and everyone is of the same oppinion he plays right back if he HAS to play i.e if there is no other option, yet he is played in the middle of the park with Osman on so many occasions.
Osman has had a relatively good season so the decision to bring him in full time there can be justified to an extent, but if moyes can honestly say at 31 and with his physical condition i.e no pace/strength that he can last 90 mins week in week out inc. cups etc then he is completely wrong.
then there was the Heitinger 4-5 week massacre.
he plays 2 games and is as bad as can be, as a fringe player this is your chance.
a manager should recognise that the out of form player needs to be pulled out.
Duffy was sat there waiting for his chance and the thing is it came but he wasnt allowed to take it....
the Baines Piennar disconnection.
they look so so tired now its untrue.
but more importantly is was being doubled up on, it was being nulified week in week out after say November and it was never changed, no piennar to the right, oviedo drafted in, piennar in the middle giving Osman a chance on the left to mix it up, nothing to suggest he had noted that the left hand side wasnt working anymore.
Jelavic not scoring.
yet another striker off the boil as moyes uses his just run tactics.
putting fellaini up top to just flick it on is not jelavic's game and he just runs and runs like an idiot all afternoon.
there are so many more blaitant individual mistakes by moyes this year while he still uses the squad size excuse which i just dont buy into.
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Posts: 2,841March 11 I'm not reading all that_shite but the biggest factor was tactically dropping Gibson for Neville master-stroke that
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Posts: 5,149March 11 its moyesys squad and we have same size squad as everyone else in the prem. if he doesnt think the likes of vellios, oviedo, hitz are good enough to come in for the odd game then he shouldnbt of brought them in
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Posts: 105March 11langleyefc said:
moyes has had a stock of players this year, Barkley, Oviedo, Hitzelsberger, Duffy, Velios that he has not played.. basically at all.
this has had a massive impact on the 2nd half of the season.
in the early parts of the season, games against Villa away, Swansea away games where we dominated he never drafted in the fringe players to keep the team fresh and all vying for their places.
what if Velios had grabbed 3 in 5 what if Barkley comes in and scores 2 in 4 he then gives himself options which he seems to strictly beleive he does not have.
if they didnt so what, they get minutes under their belts and it keeps the team fresh.
its always square pegs in round holes.
he has had so many options to chose from but has kept the teams strategy the same all season and like all teams you get worked out.
Fellaini is not a forward and teams are just hacking at him, yet the 20 goal (in greece) Kevin Mirrales is played out wide and never given a chance to show his potential up top.
the Naismith on the right saga was never ever going to work.. what was it in training that was seen that could have possibly led moyes to beleive he had what it takes to play that role?
then there was the big one: Phil "legs went 2011" Neville.
how have people like Barkley (who moyes claims will play for England one day) and ex German international Hitzelsberger not got a game over him?
how on earth is he starting a premiership match anymore?
i have spoken to many people that go the games and everyone is of the same oppinion he plays right back if he HAS to play i.e if there is no other option, yet he is played in the middle of the park with Osman on so many occasions.
Osman has had a relatively good season so the decision to bring him in full time there can be justified to an extent, but if moyes can honestly say at 31 and with his physical condition i.e no pace/strength that he can last 90 mins week in week out inc. cups etc then he is completely wrong.
then there was the Heitinger 4-5 week massacre.
he plays 2 games and is as bad as can be, as a fringe player this is your chance.
a manager should recognise that the out of form player needs to be pulled out.
Duffy was sat there waiting for his chance and the thing is it came but he wasnt allowed to take it....
the Baines Piennar disconnection.
they look so so tired now its untrue.
but more importantly is was being doubled up on, it was being nulified week in week out after say November and it was never changed, no piennar to the right, oviedo drafted in, piennar in the middle giving Osman a chance on the left to mix it up, nothing to suggest he had noted that the left hand side wasnt working anymore.
Jelavic not scoring.
yet another striker off the boil as moyes uses his just run tactics.
putting fellaini up top to just flick it on is not jelavic's game and he just runs and runs like an idiot all afternoon.
there are so many more blaitant individual mistakes by moyes this year while he still uses the squad size excuse which i just dont buy into.
the squad was far larger than he has everyone beleive he just chose to ignore it.-----------------
Some good points there mate. You spent a bit of time thinking it through and fair play to you. Unfortunately some of the more "established" members don't really bother with "newbie" comments. -
Posts: 2,841March 11langleyefc said:
im taking about the season not the just wigan game.
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I didn't read it couldn't be_arsed
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Posts: 279March 11 i agree what has gone wrong with this season is that moyes has used the same players, same tactics and played people out of position. that's what has ruined our season.
moyes should have refreshed the team a bit by giving oviedo, barkley and vellios a game now and again. he should have left players like neville and naismith on the bench for the whole season unless he was going to play them in their correct positions right back/centre forward. should have kept felli away from the support striker role. it's just stupid school boy mistakes by moyes that have ruined this season
why on earth does moyes think naimsith can play right wing ? felliani support striker ? neville in the premier league never mind neville in the premier league at centre mid ? jags at right back ? heitinga at right back or in centre mid ?
*i honestly beleive that if moyes would have done something as simple as say to himself at the start of the season ''if im to use naismith it is as a striker only. i can only use felliani in defensive mid or centre mid. jags can only play centre half and nowhere else. neville is finished but if i desperately need him then i can only use him at right back'' then we would have had a chance for 4th place
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Posts: 36March 11 i spent a bit of time thinking about it over the weekend thats for sure.
his job is difficult under the restraints but... as a manager (especially one who has been at one team for a while) you have to do certain basic things like keep producing youth and know when to call it a day on players like Cahill and Neville.
your head should always be thinking about the future of the club as well as the here and now.
lie for eg Barkleys stock is not improving due to no games.
he had to pay this year if he is as good as moyes beleives, instead i feel he went for it this year in the knowledge he wasnt around next year and therefore making these stupid mistakes. -
Posts: 36March 11 exactly, i always try and work out reasons behind decisions.
like, why when we are not keeping clean sheets has moyes not thought we need to stop conceding every game.. lets get felli back in his preferred position and get tight.
that instantly means gibbo and felli in the middle meaning no neville!
then the possibility of Naismith playing with jela whenever it was needed was there.
you caneven play 4-4-2 with that midfied as its strong against the counter, and more importantly they are 2 top players for the midfield.
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Posts: 2,841March 11AussieSheila said:
Yeah.
We can't be arsed reading your rantings either.-----------------
thats your prerogative sandy vagina
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Posts: 2,841March 11langleyefc said:
then why make such a weird comment at all?
very strange-----------------
because usualy the random posters are only_arsed about last week and not the bigger picture I will now read your novel and get back to you
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Posts: 279March 11 all moyes had to do at the start of the season is this:
centre backs
jags distin heitinga duffy
full backs
coleman hibbert neville baines
centre mids
felliani gibson osman barkley hitzleberger
wingers
mirralas pienar oviedo
strikers
jelavic anichebe naismith vellios
and keep all of those players where they belong. the only time one of those players should have been playing in a different position is when we down to the bare bones, due to injuiry or suspension. and only certain players should have been allowed to change position. for example it's acceptable (although not ideal ) to use coleman as a right winger instead of right back , or pienar in the centre instead of out wide. on the other hand it's completely unacceptable to play neville, jags, heitinga, felliani, naismith or anichebe anywhere other than their correct positions for the simple fact that they CANNOT play anywhere esle. simple as that
not only has moyes played certain players out of position but he has done it when it was totally unnessacry also. for example playing neville centre mid should not happen unless we are down to the bare bones. but to play him there in a quarter final when you could have played gibson or even hitlezberger is just down right f@king rediculous for someone getting paid millions to do their job
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Posts: 1,748March 11tonyd said:
thats your prerogative sandy vagina
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You're such a sad man TonyD or whatever your name is
Take a good look at what you post on this website & then look your kid in the eye & say 'Yes, that's me.' I stand by what I say.
You're one of (but not the biggest) hypocrites on here.
Yet you think we all give a s_it what you think.
I for one could let my kids read all my posts. What about you, sad lad? Abusing people for the sake of of a laugh? You must feel very proud of your contribution to this forum.
Everton FC must wish we had more like you, NOT!!! -
Posts: 1,398March 11 A good opening post langleyefc, and i agree with all you said in it.
The main issue for me is how on Saturday Neville got picked in a midfield position ahead of Hitz, Barkley and Gibson. Even accounting for what DM sees in training and we don't it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Whoever coined the definition of insanity as 'doing the same thing over and over again whilst expecting different results' probably has a season ticket at Goodison. -
Posts: 2,841March 11AussieSheila said:
You're such a sad man TonyD or whatever your name is
Take a good look at what you post on this website & then look your kid in the eye & say 'Yes, that's me.' I stand by what I say.
You're one of (but not the biggest) hypocrites on here.
Yet you think we all give a s_it what you think.
I for one could let my kids read all my posts. What about you, sad lad? Abusing people for the sake of of a laugh? You must feel very proud of your contribution to this forum.
Everton FC must wish we had more like you, NOT!!!-----------------
I've always said I'm a hypocrite I know my failings as a person and accept them. You well you're just some bitter old bag with a face like a grape left out in the sun if you don't like what I post you and your sons can all go and_fuck yourselves.
Now get in the kitchen_bitch
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Posts: 36March 11david14 said:
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exactly. but at the same time, he surely knows his players and football enough to see when players need to be rested.
oviedo hasnt put a foot wrong when he has come in and still doesnt have the chance to offer anything to the team.
Baines has not been his best for 5-6 games.
Alex Ferguson is the master at measuring form.
Tom Cleverly got a start against Real Madrid at home in the middle and he is just bog avg,
but the manager has to make big decisions like this to keep the full team performing at its peak.
so if one guy has to come in who isnt the best but the fact that he is fresh and raring to go that in its self can have a huge impact on the other 9 outfield players.
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Posts: 1March 11 We need new chairman , new tactics bigger squad and players. Who will be proud to wear the Everton shirt
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Posts: 36March 11BlueShark said:
A good opening post langleyefc, and i agree with all you said in it.
The main issue for me is how on Saturday Neville got picked in a midfield position ahead of Hitz, Barkley and Gibson. Even accounting for what DM sees in training and we don't it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Whoever coined the definition of insanity as 'doing the same thing over and over again whilst expecting different results' probably has a season ticket at Goodison.-----------------
i honestly beleive because he knows hes off he gave Neville the chance because of their relationship and Neville would of played at Wembley regardless of who was available as well.
i was at the Oldham game and he looked out of his depth against them.
a game is won and lost in the midfield and Neville only aids in one area of of that cliche
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