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Education: excellent article like...
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    mikraz said:

    Ffs like, education isn't a one size fits all romper suit. Gove seems to be stuck in a world where only his own experience of education was the right way. My own education was s**t (secondary) but most would consider me well educated (I have post graduate qualifications) this does not mean mine was the right education for everyone, indeed most of my peers were failed by my school and as a result suffer as adults. Gove is a victim of the sample space problem where he considers nothing but his own position in relation to the right education, he thinks because he has done alright everyone would if they followed his model this is not true.


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    You said yourself that most of your peers were failed by the current system, had they had a focused education they 'may' have had a better chance. With a deep knowledge of math, science and english they could have taken those subjects and learnt others. Not something that can be said for many non core subjects.

  • mikraz
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    As long as we agree that goves a tw@, that's enough for me Idi.
  • IdiAminDaDa
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    mikraz said:

    As long as we agree that goves a tw@, that's enough for me Idi.


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    Oh we agree entirely there mate like...
  • mikraz
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    Deus, I never said my peers were failed by the current system they were failed by a s**t school that was closed and changed under the labour administration. I am a maths teacher and could not disagree more with your insistance that pupils must only study the 'classic' core subjects. Without the other subjects taught in modern education the pupils would believe that what they were learning was purely abstract in order to pass exams, the other subjects enhance the learning experience by applying the methods and techniques learnt in the core subjects and help us (the core) engage the pupils and encourage them to learn by linking our teaching to the pupils interests.
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    IdiAminDaDa said:

    Tbh mate I agree with yer like, bu' I've set out me stall. Think Deus is either bein' disingenuous or incapable of followin' me argument, either way it's fruitless to continue like...


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    You're an intelligent man, surely during all that study of 'philosophy' you were taught that not everyone is going to agree with you and that sometimes you'd need the patience of a saint? You post all these threads looking to create debate on a forum full of people less educated than yourself and then act up when they're not at your level. 
  • Deus Ex Machina
    Posts: 3,233
    mikraz said:

    Deus, I never said my peers were failed by the current system they were failed by a s**t school that was closed and changed under the labour administration. I am a maths teacher and could not disagree more with your insistance that pupils must only study the 'classic' core subjects. Without the other subjects taught in modern education the pupils would believe that what they were learning was purely abstract in order to pass exams, the other subjects enhance the learning experience by applying the methods and techniques learnt in the core subjects and help us (the core) engage the pupils and encourage them to learn by linking our teaching to the pupils interests.


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    At no point has getting rid of any subject entirely been mentioned, just focusing on core subjects. 

  • IdiAminDaDa
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    Didn't mean to offend or patronise mate, just don't think you addressed me central contention like, off out, bu' will respond later...
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    I shall read back later and see where i may have gone astray.
  • mikraz
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    And with that focus comes the restriction of the curriculum.
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    mikraz said:

    And with that focus comes the restriction of the curriculum.


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    I wouldn't consider it a restriction, rather, an opportunity to fully educate children in core subjects whilst retaining the other subjects to enhance that education, as you wanted (probably not 100% as you'd desire it).  

  • mikraz
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    Some lessons have only one lesson a week, they would have to go, whether you like it or not it is a restriction.
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    What's being taught that currently takes one lesson a week? 
  • blue32years
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    We are all exceptional

    Remember that
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    blue32years said:

    We are all exceptional

    Remember that


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    COD?
  • blue32years
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    Yep




    Exceptionally annoying
  • mikraz
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    Each of the humanities and music get only one lesson a week the technologies run a carousel that means in key stage three they get less than one. and there would be more that did if we increased the amount of time on the core subjects, technology and design would probably be gone arts would become increasingly rare, foreign languages would be under threat. Its a bad idea end of.
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