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Vellios
  • Ivdlit
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    Deserves his own thread, made the Jela goal possible, thank you so much Apostolos Vellios! :-)
  • koolhandluke8
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    TBH he shuda been on a lot earlier (instead of naismith) to help and support jela up front and stop him (jela) having to chase the ball across the back line all the time...

    last year we had cahill doing the "donkey work" up front that took the pressure off jela working the line himself..this obviously helped jela score so many.. by him being "in the box"... as opposed to outside the box chasing the friggin ball...

    for me it's the very reason why jela has been "not so effective" this year....
  • Sheltieforce
    Posts: 441
    Ivdlit said:

    Deserves his own thread, made the Jela goal possible, thank you so much Apostolos Vellios! :-)


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    Whats with this ridiculous fashion ..kids these days eh ?his bloody hair looks awful

    Old fogey before me time , but seriously would you do that to your hair, OGV , I know u dont any :-(
  • Sheltieforce
    Posts: 441
    koolhandluke8 said:

    TBH he shuda been on a lot earlier (instead of naismith) to help and support jela up front and stop him (jela) having to chase the ball across the back line all the time...


    last year we had cahill doing the "donkey work" up front that took the pressure off jela working the line himself..this obviously helped jela score so many.. by him being "in the box"... as opposed to outside the box chasing the friggin ball...

    for me it's the very reason why jela has been "not so effective" this year....

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    I concur
  • Winston Wolfe
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    koolhandluke8 said:

    TBH he shuda been on a lot earlier (instead of naismith) to help and support jela up front and stop him (jela) having to chase the ball across the back line all the time...


    last year we had cahill doing the "donkey work" up front that took the pressure off jela working the line himself..this obviously helped jela score so many.. by him being "in the box"... as opposed to outside the box chasing the friggin ball...

    for me it's the very reason why jela has been "not so effective" this year....

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    Or just play Naismith in his best role....supporting Jelavic.

    Clearly people on here never watched the two together for Rangers where their link play was outstanding.....when Naismith played behind Jelly.

    Again, for the record, as myself and OGV keep saying.....

    NAISMITH IS NOT A RIGHT MIDIFIELDER!!!!
  • Sheltieforce
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    I know this, I will hereby declare that Winston IS actually talking sense......

    Partnership..ie upfront together worked very well in SPL :-bd
  • sambo applecart
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    Or just play Naismith in his best role....supporting Jelavic.

    Clearly people on here never watched the two together for Rangers where their link play was outstanding.....when Naismith played behind Jelly.

    Again, for the record, as myself and OGV keep saying.....

    NAISMITH IS NOT A RIGHT MIDIFIELDER!!!!


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    Moyes does that though mate with players, same with Arteta, he plays them on the right or the left to get them used to the pace of the premier league, then he slowly moves them into the middle over time.

    I do agree though i'd give him a chance behind the striker in time as i think he has a knack of getting goals. 
  • koolhandluke8
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    Or just play Naismith in his best role....supporting Jelavic.

    Clearly people on here never watched the two together for Rangers where their link play was outstanding.....when Naismith played behind Jelly.

    Again, for the record, as myself and OGV keep saying.....

    NAISMITH IS NOT A RIGHT MIDIFIELDER!!!!

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    I agree, however on saturday he was vbrought on as the right sided midfielder, which in my opinion was wrong as moyes shuda brought on velios to offer height and support to jela..which would i my opinion have given us better options for going forward and getting a goal...

    oh hang on !!  IT DID........
  • Ivdlit
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    koolhandluke8 said:

    oh hang on !! IT DID........


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    haha spot on.
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    Let's not pretend Vellios had any intention of setting up Jelly, he was attempting a bicycle kick and Jelly was in the right place. 
  • koolhandluke8
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    BUT THATS EXACTLY MY POINT....he was in the right place because velios was target man along side him...if velios wasn't on the pitch chances were jely would of been out on the friggin wing somwehere..
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    koolhandluke8 said:

    BUT THATS EXACTLY MY POINT....he was in the right place because velios was target man along side him...if velios wasn't on the pitch chances were jely would of been out on the friggin wing somwehere..


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    Where's Jelly when Fellaini's the target man, supporting him? Fellaini's more effective than Vellios so why isn't Jelly benefiting? It doesn't matter a jot who supports him if he's not there to pick up the pieces, it's up to him to be in the box, it doesn't matter who supports him imo, he's that good.
  • koolhandluke8
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

    Where's Jelly when Fellaini's the target man, supporting him? Fellaini's more effective than Vellios so why isn't Jelly benefiting? It doesn't matter a jot who supports him if he's not there to pick up the pieces, it's up to him to be in the box, it doesn't matter who supports him imo, he's that good.


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    because felli is acting as the top forward most of the time not the supporting forward to jely... he goes for goal or brings the others into play...velios goes on as support to jely not as the top man....watch the goal explains everything.....

    when jely up front on his own as he was for most of saturday..practically totaly ineffective..ends up running the wings and chasing back just to "get involved"....may as well bring beattie back thats what he did..
  • sambo applecart
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    felli isnt creative enough for the role behind the striker imo 
  • koolhandluke8
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    i think he is it's just that he's good enough to "do it himself" so why lay it off ?

    jely is pure instinct..it's why, for me, he has to just stay in the box and pick up the scraps ala saturday..

    take it to basics....our shooting is terrible... we very rarely hit the target...if you hit the targte you either score or make the keeper make a save...if he stops it and drops it.. jely pounces..very rarely happens because our shots either go over the bar or wide..

    hence jely not getting half the chances he got last year...just my opinion....like..
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    koolhandluke8 said:

    because felli is acting as the top forward most of the time not the supporting forward to jely... he goes for goal or brings the others into play...velios goes on as support to jely not as the top man....watch the goal explains everything.....


    when jely up front on his own as he was for most of saturday..practically totaly ineffective..ends up running the wings and chasing back just to "get involved"....may as well bring beattie back thats what he did..

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    IMO that's Jellys fault. It's up to him to stay disciplined and in position. I think Moyes has to answer some questions here as well. He does it to strikers, expects them to work their butts off, which is fair enough when we don't have the ball i.e chasing down the central defenders, but not out on the wing. Fellaini, as good as he is up top, doesn't know what he's doing as support, which is Moyes fault for playing him out of position or not instructing him properly. 

    If Vellios had intended to set Jelly up then i'd give him credit, but not just for being there as a target and Jelly making the most of his mis-kick. 
  • koolhandluke8
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    couldn't agree more..but not so much jely's fault...all forwards work the line..but when up front on thoir own it's virtually impossible to constantly do it..so when he does get an opportunity he's either out of position..or too knackered to get there...

    give him the support ala cahill....let him (jely) be a standing player ...and the goals will flow....just my opinion ...like...
  • Deus Ex Machina
    Posts: 3,233
    koolhandluke8 said:

    couldn't agree more..but not so much jely's fault...all forwards work the line..but when up front on thoir own it's virtually impossible to constantly do it..so when he does get an opportunity he's either out of position..or too knackered to get there...



    give him the support ala cahill....let him (jely) be a standing player ...and the goals will flow....just my opinion ...like...


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    I agree. Tell him to chase down the width of the 6 yard box when we haven't got the ball, no further. When we've got the ball, tell him to do what feels right, he's knows what to do. 


    Moyes out, i could do that job with my eyes closed. 
    ;)
  • zagan
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    Or just play Naismith in his best role....supporting Jelavic.

    Clearly people on here never watched the two together for Rangers where their link play was outstanding.....when Naismith played behind Jelly.

    Again, for the record, as myself and OGV keep saying.....

    NAISMITH IS NOT A RIGHT MIDIFIELDER!!!!


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    Iv'e been saying this for ages, but you still get the same people giving it "Naismith ain't Prem quality blah blah blah"...
    Fact is, he hasn't be played in his main role, behind Jelly. They worked so well together at Rangers.
    And his work rate is second to none.

    If I had my way -

                                         Howard
    Coleman                  Jags          Distin               Baines
    Mirallas                   Gibson       Felli                 Peanuts
                                         Naismith
                                           Jelly


    But I know nothing.
  • sambo applecart
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    zagan said:

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    agree when we are attacking teams with that line up.


    when we need to be more cautious i would play hibbert or neville at RB 
  • zagan
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    sambo applecart said:

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    That's furry muff.... I just <3 the coleman/mirallas partnership, as it's doing exactly what the left side is doing.
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