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Posts: 7,520December 2012blue32years said:
Can we be taught compassion ?
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Nice one lid... -
Posts: 16,379December 2012 Once had a discussion whether compassion was genetic in uni
I decided I dont think it is.
My dad was a right c*nt
Actually .... Maybe it is -
Posts: 7,520December 2012blue32years said:
Once had a discussion whether compassion was genetic in uni
I decided I dont think it is.
My dad was a right c*nt
Actually .... Maybe it is-----------------
Hahaha, compassion an' empathy are currently bein' used a lo' in psychological/psychiatric studies on sociopathy like...
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Posts: 16,379December 2012 Its an interesting discussion
Also interesting to hear peoples view on what is compassion and empathy
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Posts: 1,341December 2012 one interesting study that was done (mind you i dont believe this proves the intrinsic nature of empathy) was of four separate living containers with four chimps in it ... 1 lever for food to be dispensed and they just let them go for a while to get used to the lever ... when they did then they began to issue cries of a monkey being electrocuted every time the food lever was pulled ... the chimps began starving themselves ... interesting bit seemingly a slice of evidence that compassion is genetic
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Posts: 7,520December 2012EvertonfcNSNO said:
one interesting study that was done (mind you i dont believe this proves the intrinsic nature of empathy) was of four separate living containers with four chimps in it ... 1 lever for food to be dispensed and they just let them go for a while to get used to the lever ... when they did then they began to issue cries of a monkey being electrocuted every time the food lever was pulled ... the chimps began starving themselves ... interesting bit seemingly a slice of evidence that compassion is genetic
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Reckon 'umans would just eat like... -
Posts: 16,379December 2012EvertonfcNSNO said:
one interesting study that was done (mind you i dont believe this proves the intrinsic nature of empathy) was of four separate living containers with four chimps in it ... 1 lever for food to be dispensed and they just let them go for a while to get used to the lever ... when they did then they began to issue cries of a monkey being electrocuted every time the food lever was pulled ... the chimps began starving themselves ... interesting bit seemingly a slice of evidence that compassion is genetic
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Is that not a learned response rather than genetic ?
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Posts: 6,911December 2012 I don't think I have any compassion genes at all. Worries me a bit, I feel almost emotionless.
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Posts: 16,379December 2012 Thats not true mate
You was inconsolable when they took sport billy off the telly -
Posts: 1,341December 2012
blue32years said:Is that not a learned response rather than genetic ?
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well whats making them respond that way ... thats the bit that we term empathy that could be construed as genetic ... its learned that the lever "shocks" a monkey but not learned what to do after that information is aquired
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Posts: 7,520December 2012blue32years said:
Is that not a learned response rather than genetic ?
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Bu' I suppose the argument is tha' there is an underlyin' empathy tha' prevents them pullin' the lever once they've made the causal connection between i' bein' pulled an' (in addition to food) fellow species are 'eard to be sufferin' like... -
Posts: 16,379December 2012 Is it not response to a sound ?
Did they try other sounds ?
If they were in a glass cage and there was a dividing wall with 4 monkeys eating and 4 not would they show compassion watching them starve ? If there was a hole would they pass it through ?
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Posts: 1,341December 2012blue32years said:
Is it not response to a sound ?
Did they try other sounds ?
If they were in a glass cage and there was a dividing wall with 4 monkeys eating and 4 not would they show compassion watching them starve ? If there was a hole would they pass it through ?-----------------
these monkeys were in separated living containers with no possibility to see any other of the chimps in the study ... and of course its a response to a sound but to them they associate that sound with some kind of concept they have of pain so to try other sounds is pointless ... also to say everything is learned is just plain not true ... you didn't learn to develop your body to the point it is now but you yourself (there is not duality of body and mind) did it ... so we are informed by our genes all the time ... the fact that our conscious mind does not have a direct experience of this doesnt matter ... unless you are trying to expand the meaning of learned to a very abstract point
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Posts: 16,379December 2012 Id argue , eye colour , hair colour , height and how we look is genetic
Everything else is learned. You arent good because your parents were or bad either.
You learn the difference between right and wrong or what you percieve to be.
Now if genetics is argued are we saying Peter Sutcliffe was always genetically bad ? -
Posts: 1,341December 2012blue32years said:
Id argue , eye colour , hair colour , height and how we look is genetic
Everything else is learned. You arent good because your parents were or bad either.
You learn the difference between right and wrong or what you percieve to be.
Now if genetics is argued are we saying Peter Sutcliffe was always genetically bad ?-----------------
all i propose is that "everything" is not learned of course as we begin to form a sense of self and other then learning occurs ... there is no one i think who has a 100% genetic deterministic sense of the world
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Posts: 1,341December 2012blue32years said:
I will say Piers Morgan was born a c *nt
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hahaha ... i agree to that ... i wish he never had the genes to form a mouth
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