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Scandal on Twitter...
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Posts: 19,512November 2012 Just reading about a few Everton "fan" accounts on twitter that were "fake"... I cant believe how trusting people are on t'web... Genuine shock and outrage that these accounts weren't real... I tell ye if Howie isn't real I'll cry!
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Posts: 19,512November 2012 @Clariceefc
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Posts: 665November 2012 been told you are a solicitor, so ifany chance you can try cleari up something been having stupid argument about . I remember being taught vaguely about the difference between slander, libel and contempt of court, and as far as I can see without any new legal precedent the people who revealed the rape victim's name are criminally liable on at least two of these accounts. But from my point of view Twitter is now a part of the media and the people who run it have the same responsibility as Editors of Papers or TV and therefore should be considered liiable. I can see them saying its just a tool to be used and not their repsonsibility but when its being quoted consistently on other news sources and forming the news can they really just say that it is nothing to do with them if people directly use it to break the law in a way they couldn't without it...assume that ithe offence they being charged with is slander rather than liibel which means they are viewing Twitter as a public place rather than a published part of the media. But they refer to themselvesd as social media and I really cant see the difference between this and a news source when it is immediately available to the world
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Posts: 665November 2012 I realise there probably a non argument anyway but maybe it should open up debate about how free of monitoring and editorial control these sites should be
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Posts: 19,512November 2012 Firstly the law of defamation is a civil matter so there is no question of "criminal" liability for either libel (something seen) or slander (something heard).
As for contempt of court you would have to demonstate that someone has defied the court - hard to suggest that someone who knows a person and comnents on said person in the ordinary course of things is actively defying or disobeying the court.
So far as twitter is concerned it would argue it is an open forun for discussion in the same way as a public gathering area is. They have no more responsibility to police it than a local authority would have popping down the local boozer to hear the latest gossip.
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Posts: 665November 2012 can see what they would argue but feel if the law was consistently being broken in a pub or an organised public meeting then they would be held to account if they were making no attempt to prevent this. I know twitter will argue its just an open space for debate, editors of newspapers can remove themselves from responsibility for what is said by individual contributors but as far as I know if an illegal act took place and they publsihed it then they are liable.
Wouldn't it also be fair to say that Twitter is not the same as a public meeting place as the environment there is limited and the damage of something said can be controlled with anyone repeating it still liable. But one comment on twitter makes the question of it being controlled irrelevant as it is immediately in the public domain, which was argued with the Ryan Giggs case -
Posts: 665November 2012 i know its nonsense to talk now about controlling forums and social networks but no other sites are being used to form opinion and news the way that Twitter does
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Posts: 964November 2012brett said:
I remember being taught vaguely about the difference between slander, libel and contempt of court,
Slander is calling someone a c**t.
Libel is writing it down.
Contempt of court is calling the judge a c**t. (See note 2.)
Notes.
1. A good method of libel is with the use of spray paint on the c**t's house. Optionally, you may then photograph the work and rent one or more of those advertising hoardings to display it. Alternatively, plant daffodil bulbs in the shape of the letters of the word in the c**t's garden. Aerial photography is best for this method. Aeroplanes may be rented at a reasonable cost or, even better, why not select a c**t who lives near an airport? Of course, you must be quick, as the astute victim may resort to a lawnmower at any stage. I am working on a hybrid of daffodils and Japanese knotweed, which may reduce the urgency required. The only reliable method, I have found, is to purchase a large pocket of land adjacent to the c**t's property- then you can plant what you like, with an arrow.
2. Save this until after sentencing. It has been known to increase the severity of the penalty. Remember- you may be proud of your vindictiveness, but these are the professionals. -
Posts: 665November 2012 surely worth calling someone a c un t if you then get your chance to argue in court that this isn't defamation as they really are a c un t. good therapy and if they win and the court rules they aren't then you can change course and argue that there is nothing wrong with c un ts and the court is being sexist
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Posts: 665November 2012 I regularly text my friends to say David Cameron is a lying c un t who has colluded with the press to committ major fraud. I would never be stupid enough to write this on an open forum though
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Posts: 19,512November 2012 He'd have to prove he isnt... Or hasnt done those things... Many worms and a can involved along the way... As for the c word... Thats just opinion... Just dont add any adjectives...
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Posts: 964November 2012brett said:
surely worth calling someone a c un t if you then get your chance to argue in court that this isn't defamation as they really are a c un t. good therapy and if they win and the court rules they aren't then you can change course and argue that there is nothing wrong with c un ts and the court is being sexist
Unfortunately, there is no cast-iron legal definition of the word "c**t". Like everything else in law, it is shrouded in ambiguity and open to interpretation, fertile ground for liars to spin their yarns. C**ts lie, if you had not noticed. The wigs will then further complicate a simple matter by translating it into their own arcane language, that only they understand. It is how they make their money.
Regarding your second point, this is entirely valid. However, you would have to get in quick, to set a legal precedent before any action is brought against you. A "nothing wrong with c**ts" law would pave the way for a better world, in my view. I would use a European court for this.They are more enlightened over there. In France, they just shrug their shoulders, for instance. Can you imagine a Frenchman not agreeing with the idea that there is nothing wrong with c**ts? Of course you can't. -
Posts: 665November 2012 bit hungover so can't even imagine a frenchman. have heard an argument from someone once that tw*t is worse than c**t as it refers to prostitutes and in way it implies that they are little more than walking sex organs. interesting historical lesson if true, but nonsense in terms of how people use it nowadays if my friends call me a tw*t then its fair comment, if someone in the street who doesn't know me calls me a tw*t then its straight to court with them, or some smart arsed comment back depending on my financial situation
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Posts: 665November 2012OldGoldenVision said:
He'd have to prove he isnt... Or hasnt done those things... Many worms and a can involved along the way... As for the c word... Thats just opinion... Just dont add any adjectives...
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so 'you lovely c**t' would see me in the dock -
Posts: 964November 2012brett said:
so 'you lovely c**t' would see me in the dock
Haha. Excellent. "You are a lovely c**t, aren't you?" is now my favourite insult. It also has the advantage of further muddying the legal waters. For instance, in a frank exchange of views with the Prime Minister, I will, in future, recommend the argument, "Mr. Cameron, are the opinions you are propagating not those of an exquisite c**t? -
Posts: 665November 2012 don't confuse it with 'that's a lovely c**t' which kills the mood and leads to a long hard lesson about when jokes are appropriate
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Posts: 964November 2012brett said:
don't confuse it with 'that's a lovely c**t' which kills the mood and leads to a long hard lesson about when jokes are appropriate
Yes- one must avoid accusations of sexism, even during sex. Unless, of course, one and one's partner(s) are of the same gender. In these situations, it is clear beyond reasonable doubt, that the phrase is being used as a fair insult. For example, if one's sweetheart were to insert one's hairbrush, completely by accident, into the wrong hole, the exclamation, "Oh, you are such a divine c**t" would probably pass without comment. -
Posts: 2,453November 2012OldGoldenVision said:
Firstly the law of defamation is a civil matter so there is no question of "criminal" liability for either libel (something seen) or slander (something heard).
As for contempt of court you would have to demonstate that someone has defied the court - hard to suggest that someone who knows a person and comnents on said person in the ordinary course of things is actively defying or disobeying the court.
So far as twitter is concerned it would argue it is an open forun for discussion in the same way as a public gathering area is. They have no more responsibility to police it than a local authority would have popping down the local boozer to hear the latest gossip.
The comments aren't theirs and they don't endorse them.
You forgot to include the final paragraph ! " I now now have pleasure In presenting my firms invoice for £67,450.00 in respect of advice given in the matter of clarification of definitions"
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Posts: 3,253November 2012escla said:
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Don't be silly, he can spin this out for a lot longer yet.....and the meter keeps ticking....... -
Posts: 2,453November 2012 Your right, I suppose that if he responds to this post it will be an additional £4,450. Plus v.a.t. !
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