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Viva Chavez
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    "Venezuela is a major oil producer and high oil prices have allowed his government to 
    fund healthcare, education programmes and social housing."

  • escla
    Posts: 2,453
    So why don't you **** off to Venezuela and live with this **** sucking, Bassam al Assad loving ****. !
  • zagan
    Posts: 4,706
    escla said:

    So why don't you **** off to Venezuela and live with this **** sucking, Bassam al Assad loving ****. !


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    well said!



    <3
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,333
    One of the most corrupt countries in the world.

    We should all aspire to be them
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    nearly a century of military dictators, and american backed stooges. rome wasnt built in a day.

    and chavez is the opposite of those that you and your kind support.

    chavez wins means the people win.
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,333
    Of course they do
  • escla
    Posts: 2,453
    Knoxy2001e said:

    nearly a century of military dictators, and american backed stooges. rome wasnt built in a day.


    and chavez is the opposite of those that you and your kind support.

    chavez wins means the people win.

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    Supporter of Ghadafi,Mugabe, Castro and Bassam al Assad, not sure that the people of Syria would agree with you at the moment !
  • MavisCruet
    Posts: 1,794
    Chavez isn't perfect, but he's the best that Venezuela has had.  He does try and redistribute wealth from the top, allow redistribution of land to those with none to start communal farm projects.

    There is really high crime, in part due to the drugs routes to the US, and of course poverty.  However poverty has something like halved under Chavez' rule, which must be seen by anyone (who isn't a Tory) as being a good thing.

    His flaws?  There are allegations of nepotism, there is a lot of corruption within the government, and he doesn't deal with criticism well.  However, if I was a  man who had an American senator request my assassination, I would be really short on trust.  I would want the people around me to be trustworthy.

    South America has for too long been the playground of the US and the culture of revolution, coup, military might and corruption have been far too long engendered to be easily overthrown.  Chavez is the start of that process, and one which is now a fairly fair democratic one.
  • MavisCruet
    Posts: 1,794
    Oh and to add, this is far from isolated, Argentina, Bolivia and others now have very left leaning governments, trying to repair the damage done.  South America has many flaws, and to suggest someone effs off over there for admiring it, is just ignorant.  A westerner over there is a good prize for a ransom.

    However, the whole region is making progress.  Brazil's economy is rampant, and there could be a real surge from that part of the world in the international markets.

    To write them off as all backward criminals is just typical of the US led neo-con crap.
  • latchfordonenil
    Posts: 4
    All the people on here who criticise Chavez usually know nothing about the real meaning of democracy and swallow completely the myth given out by Sky and the Sun and the corrupt British media that Britain is a 'democracy'. How utterly naive; do you really think putting a cross on a ballot paper every 4 years in a representative democracy is 'democratic'? When was the last time you made any form of political decision ? In Venezuela there are regular meetings of local people who discuss their needs and have a voice. Unlike you. At least accept you are ignorant and don't insult people who dare to think differently. Embarrassing that some Everton fans are like this.
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,333
    Wow, let's make a sweeping statement without actually knowing what people's opinions are of this country.

    I don't agree so therefore I read the sun ?
  • spengler
    Posts: 2,041
    blue32years said:

    Wow, let's make a sweeping statement without actually knowing what people's opinions are of this country.

    I don't agree so therefore I read the sun ?


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    ..i had you down more as a gaurdian reader..or perhaps the telegraph..or the horse and hound weekly!
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,512
    latchfordonenil said:

    All the people on here who criticise Chavez usually know nothing about the real meaning of democracy and swallow completely the myth given out by Sky and the Sun and the corrupt British media that Britain is a 'democracy'. How utterly naive; do you really think putting a cross on a ballot paper every 4 years in a representative democracy is 'democratic'? When was the last time you made any form of political decision ? In Venezuela there are regular meetings of local people who discuss their needs and have a voice. Unlike you. At least accept you are ignorant and don't insult people who dare to think differently. Embarrassing that some Everton fans are like this.


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    excuse me... you might not agree with a comment made by someone else... but wade in on my country and its democracy?

  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,333
    Country life , home and lifestyle and Asian gilfs
  • scouse48
    Posts: 595
    Well said Escla,i agree with you wholeheartedly.
  • scouse48
    Posts: 595
    latchfordonenil said:

    All the people on here who criticise Chavez usually know nothing about the real meaning of democracy and swallow completely the myth given out by Sky and the Sun and the corrupt British media that Britain is a 'democracy'. How utterly naive; do you really think putting a cross on a ballot paper every 4 years in a representative democracy is 'democratic'? When was the last time you made any form of political decision ? In Venezuela there are regular meetings of local people who discuss their needs and have a voice. Unlike you. At least accept you are ignorant and don't insult people who dare to think differently. Embarrassing that sI
    ome Everton fans are like this.


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    If you think that the Venezuelan people have a voice in anything in that country then you are as ignorant as the people you talk about,get your head out of the sand and see what standard of living the working class have there.

  • MavisCruet
    Posts: 1,794
    As I said, but was conveniently ignored, the standards of the poor have increased dramatically over the past ten years.  No, it's not great, but it's getting better.

    It's odd that you think there was no voice of the working classes. there was an 85% turnout for the election.  Venezuela has massive problems, but none that weren't there ten years ago.  To just write if off as hopeless is exactly what has been wrong for a long time, the situation is improving.

    Our democracy is hugely flawed, and, strictly speaking, it's more a democratic oligarchy, as is Venezuela's.  At least the latter has more effective close links with local issues however.

    That Chavez pisses off the US right is generally a sign he's doing something right!
  • Jxg
    Posts: 1,537
    I like Mavis. Albeit rather left-wing he explains his view calmly and will consider your rebuttal.

    Knoxy just covers his ears, links a boring_as_fuck 50 page essay that is irrelevant to your reply and calls you ignorant.
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,333
    Mavis is a star. I wouldn't even put him and knoxy in the same sentence.






    Oh ffs
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,512
    Mavis is lovely... God bless her... I mean him... Especially when he takes sneaky pics of sleepin conquests an posts em on ere...
  • MavisCruet
    Posts: 1,794
    OldGoldenVision said:

    Mavis is lovely... God bless her... I mean him... Especially when he takes sneaky pics of sleepin conquests an posts em on ere...


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    Shush!

    Youse lot about on Derby day?
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