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If somebody has a bad game, or the teams loses, it does not make us/them crap......
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,179
    There are some on here either trying to stir up debate by coming out with this sort of thing, or they do not actually understand football. 

    Same thing applies if we lose a game, it isnt the end of the world, no team is going to win every game, even Barcelona dont win every game. 

    If you cannot grasp this, you will have to pardon my ignorance, but, you cannot understnad or even have a basic understanding of the sport.

    Have any of you thought about following some other kind of sport, one that you might actually be able to get your heads round?

    Sorry if that sounds condescending but there is some absolute tripe spouted on here if 

    a) we dont win

    or 

    b)somebody has a bad game.

    I bet the people that come out with this cack are the same people that if you gave them a football they wouldnt be able to kick it 10 yards in a straight line. 

    The end.
  • tonyd
    Posts: 2,823
    Honestly Sepp out Sambo in
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,179
    we need a revolution mate!
  • tonyd
    Posts: 2,823
    sambo applecart said:

    we need a revolution mate!


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    I know what you're saying though Sam but footy is full of fickle supporters and they'd argue yer till the cows come home or get flooded off the field.

    we've got the chance of the 1 cup yet again and the fa cup we've had no luck in so it looks like another barren season
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,179
    tonyd said:

    I know what you're saying though Sam but footy is full of fickle supporters and they'd argue yer till the cows come home or get flooded off the field.

    we've got the chance of the 1 cup yet again and the fa cup we've had no luck in so it looks like another barren season


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    i banter a bit mate about winning the league and that, but, i think Moyes is willing to gamble (especially the league cup) on the belief that he has a squad to push towards the top 4.....if it were to come off, then i think people will look back to last night and think, in hindsight he got it right as we didnt need the distraction. But of course, i am well aware that it might not pan out like that, but while its possible, we gotta keep the faith.......

    I get more frustrated with the posts about players being crap after one game, yes they get paid very well, but, it is there job, we all get days when we go to work and things just dont happen how we would like them too, judging Naismith, Junior, Oviedo etc on 1 game is crazy! Its just daft talk suggesting to sell them after last nights game lol.
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    Anyone who's played at a level that involves pressure knows how it works. Sometimes, no matter how good you are, the connections in the brain aren't firing on all cylinders, the muscle memory just seizes.

    Even on the training pitch i've had it, and that's the best place as you can acknowledge it internally and adopt practices to make yourself effective regardless. Maybe not as effective as you would normally be, but the ability to identify and address your weaknesses are the building blocks of great players IMO, along with enough talent to be there in the first place. 

    If you've experienced this, it's a lot easier to keep your mouth shut.
  • tonyd
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    I know lad I've seen a few posts abar Oviedo who in my opinion isn't an english left back hes looked more dangerous against Swansea in 5 minutes than he did versus Leeds the time he played. Naismith had a load of expectations on him after hibbos testimonial hat trick I still reckon if he stays away from bad injury he'll be ok at worst he'll be the Scottish Kevin Kilbane haha onto Junior my stance on him is if city didn't want him........
  • sambo applecart
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    tonyd said:

    I know lad I've seen a few posts abar Oviedo who in my opinion isn't an english left back hes looked more dangerous against Swansea in 5 minutes than he did versus Leeds the time he played. Naismith had a load of expectations on him after hibbos testimonial hat trick I still reckon if he stays away from bad injury he'll be ok at worst he'll be the Scottish Kevin Kilbane haha onto Junior my stance on him is if city didn't want him........


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    i think mate, and dont quote me, BUT, they just messed about offering him something and i think he thought more of a chance to get in the first team at everton than Man cITY......last night, i thought he did ok, we were no better when neville came on to repalce him really, and i thought some of his passing, if not probing, was slick and accurate.....he can only learn i feel.......
    think your right with regards Naismith, you know what moyes is like he likes to be them in slowly 90% of the time and as for oviedo, i think he will def do a job lb or lm if pienaar was injured...but he needs game time and to adjust to the prem, he has come from denmark ffs, thats not far off scottish standard....
  • tonyd
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    last night tbh wasn't ideal to judge a players ability a players bottle deffo ability no and you are spot on about junior and neville offering no more than him as I said it shows our lack of squad depth yet again i'd have had tim cahil anyday playing last night we missed him graft last night
  • sambo applecart
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    wasn't ideal conditions with the rain, difficult to play decent football when its like that as the ball skids so quickly off the surface.......and i said in another thread we just got dragged down to their level, and we were not sharp enough to think our selves out of it. your right though mate, we missed the graft last night, nobody seemed to want to roll their sleeves up and do the dirty work..

    This belgian kid that we missed out on would have been the strength in depth we need in the middle of the park, so lets hope whether its him or someone else, that gets sorted in jan.

    and i bite my lip when i say this, but, for everything he does right, he does something wrong, but Anichebe has played ok the last 2 or 3 games, he seems a bit more confident and interested.......there i've said it, 
  • tonyd
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    the weather excuse is balls samuel sorry the weather was the same for leeds we went into the game expecting a roll over and underestimated leeds good on leeds for proving moyes and most of the squads arrogance wrong and to anichebe I made athread about the lad under richard keys guise and tbh so far vics proven me right I knew he had more about him than just a silverback on roller boots wish i could remember the thread name
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,179
    tonyd said:

    the weather excuse is balls samuel sorry the weather was the same for leeds we went into the game expecting a roll over and underestimated leeds good on leeds for proving moyes and most of the squads arrogance wrong and to anichebe I made athread about the lad under richard keys guise and tbh so far vics proven me right I knew he had more about him than just a silverback on roller boots wish i could remember the thread name


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    yes mate as much as i see what your saying, Leeds were very much all about graft, and stopping us play, which they did very well, had it been 20 degree heat they would have tired more quickly, same as us in the 2009 cup final, as daft as it sounds, the weather was just too hot for our high tempo style of play, had it been cooler and or raining i think we might have won.......(dont laugh at that, i think it makes sense though)

    lol, i had to chuckle at the description......your right though, Moyes seems him every day in training, so he must see more than what we do on occasion, he doenst often suffer fools doesnt the gaffer, so there has to be something there...
  • tonyd
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    YELLOW: about the tempo caper what you're saying is the better side (chelsea) won which on play by play was probably the right score as much as it stung but last night i think the weather wasn't the issue it was the tactics, setup and performance = well done leeds you can't defend everton last night.

    GREEN: it was an accurate description at the time tbh but he hasn't half improved
  • MaestroHaze
    Posts: 181
    I agree sambo, far too much knee-jerking. We have a lot to prove this season, and a lot to play for. And it will decidedly  play a factor in a couple of players futures at the club, and of course financially.
    I was more **** off that we lost the West Brom game to be honest, would of loved to have gone through to the 4th round but it wasn't meant to be.

    We've got three fairly straight forward games, and with only Gibson out (Hibbert returning at the weekend) we do look strong going into them. Keeping our key players fit and in good form is key leading into the Liverpool game. Liverpool's style of football is not dissimilar to Swansea, so using similar tactics is key (and we'll have Gibson back by then), we can win easily regardless of what our record is or that somehow we have a mental block when we play them (well some people say).

    We have the quality to be unbeaten in October which will keep us in the top 5 if we only drop a couple of points.
    Southampton had a good result at weekend but they are not Newcastle, they won't keep the same sustained obstinance or pressure that they did, so I think we'll win especially as we are at home.
    Wigan could be difficult but this is the sort of team we have to beat to stay near the top, and we hope that Gibson will be back for this if not QPR.
    QPR I'm guessing will be a draw.
    If we can get 6 or 7 points from 9 leading into the Liverpool game then I think confidence will be brimming.

    Beating Liverpool would really make a huge statement on where the power has shifted in Merseyside, and it really doesn't matter how crap Liverpool will or won't be leading into the game, they always perform well against us regardless, so we have to be at the top of our game.
     
  • zagan
    Posts: 4,703
    sambo applecart said:

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    All fans are fickle, including me at times.
    Footy players are human's, not machines, therefore allowed to make mistakes and have a bad day, just like the rest of us.

  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,265
    I just find it hard to accept we got beat by a team that had Michael Brown in midfield and we made diouf and tonge look like messi and Ronaldo.


    No individual to blame






    Except Naismith. He was rubbish
  • koolhandluke8
    Posts: 3,003
    fans will always have their opinion and you can never take that out of football..and you can never appease ALL fans most of the time..

    with professinal logic... as I see it Moyes is somewhat over barrel and has decisions to make that fans dont always understand and agree with...

    Is this cup our main chance of silverware ?

    would everton fc/Moyes except a higher place league position over winning this cup ?

    would fans rather untried players come in to cover injuries/suspensions in important league games or the percieved "more important" FA Cup?

    These are some of the decisions Moyes has to balance out....when is it ideal to try/test these untried/tested players at this level?
    during an "unimportant" cup tie against "lesser" opposition... OR leave them untried/tested up to a point when they are REALLY needed to perform in an important league game or the "higher regarded" FA cup ?

    for me this was the ideal test...poor conditions against a team who wanted to battle it out...and eventually deservedly so, wanted to win...

    the means to the end was justifyable in my opinion..Moyes got more out this game than just a defeat...as did a number of "sqaud" players....

    NOT what I wanted to see as a travelling supporter.. but not too annoyed...

    as a professional....understandable but not acceptable....
  • Jay McD
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    I fully agree with sambo, most of which I've said before.

    The term supporter should be up held
  • koolhandluke8
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    Jay McD said:

    I fully agree with sambo, most of which I've said before.

    The term supporter should be up held


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    whats the difference between a fan and a supporter ?
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,265
    One keeps you cool , one stops you falling over.
  • koolhandluke8
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    i got qiute hot under the coller tuesday night...but didn't fall over...
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