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  • sambo applecart
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    hahahaha, i like the analogy mate, but it isnt quite the same really!

    But fair point :). 
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    sambo applecart said:

    well lets all get together and buy the shares off the people who it seems arnt interested in the club??



    Well it seems a better long term option than accepting the current board who have failed and will continue to fail (as thier policy is to sell assets, which are now runnnig out quickly) until we have no club left or we're sitting in the echelons of League one. Not the ambition I have for the club I love.
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    sambo applecart said:

    hahahaha, i like the analogy mate, but it isnt quite the same really!


    But fair point :). 


    Your very much correct pal, it is slightly different but my point is... No one in their right mind would chose option a) which is to accept the excuse of the failed owners only for it to result in the 'fan' being left with rubbish!

    Just for the record, the differnce is... Topshop doesn't have loyal fans who would do anything for the shop! Everton have thousands and thousands of fans who would indeed do anything for their ever beloved club! We have Everton tattooed on our skin... we cry when we are defeated in high profile games.... we don't talk to our loved ones on derby days.... we leave our loved ones at home while we spend money watching the one thing that makes Everton a club and thats the 11 players who fight on a pitch to win!
    So tell me.... why should we choose option a) and accept that the board have failed?
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    I thin mate though, at times, people tend to get the impression off people like myself, that if we dont protest, or we dont moan about the board or the running of the club, we are unambitious. This isnt the case though, we are as passionate as the next person, but the important thing for a lot of us, is to get behind the team on a saturday. People work all week to go to the game on a sat, and the vast majority probably dont want that ruining by a protest during the game. 
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    I take you point, but if it weren't for the protestors you will be travelling to Ipswitch to watch Everton in a few seasons time. Is that what you want, because by the looks of things, the board/owners are not going to do anything to prevent this other than expect miracles from Moyes again! Mate, we have just put in a squad list of 18 players when our competitors are listing 23,24,25. If common sense prevails here we don't have the best chance do we?

    I am not and never have stated that you or anyone else with your opinion is any less passionate about EFC than me but I entered this discussion purely on the basis that putting things into perspective does not necessarily mean accepting failure because the club owes the banks.

    Let me just remind you, it is not the owners money the board are playing with here... it is a limited company, it is the clubs money... the clubs debt! If we go under, into admin then it is the club that will suffer. Yes the owners bought the club with their own money but if they sold the club for what they bought it for inc interest they would have buyers queueing at the door!

    People like myself will get behind the team on matchdays as much as you, we are no different. We just want progression. What Everton players, Manager and Fans deserve!
  • sambo applecart
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    Think amigo, everyones perspective is different as to what progression is. Now try not to take this the wrong way, but, as long as Chelski, Manu, Shitteh, RS, Arsenal have the money they have, without a billionaire owner who wants to throw cash at the club, we will ALWAYS struggle to compete, and that is a fact off life, i hate it, you hate, and every other Everton hates it, but in reality, this is how it is. Yes, i would like the club to have 15-20 million to spend every summer to freshen the team up, but imo, i dont think even that would be enough.

    MONEY, is killing the game mate, the board aside, its the rich ARABS, RUSSIANS, and whoever else has a bottomless bank accounts at certain teams is murdering the game. And that P*SSES Me off more than the board could.

    FIFA, EUFA. THE FA, dont give a toss about teams like us, and i will tell you why, we do not generate money through TV etc like the likes of manu, rs, chelski, barca, real do. Everyone is interested in CASH, DOSH, etc, than they are interested in football, for the big clubs, its all about making money, and for clubs like us, until we get a rich owner (if ever) its about surviving, i loathe it, i dont like it, but in reality this is a fact of life. And that mate, isnt Bill's fault. 

    We have paid some debt off, we dont owe as much as a lot of other teams in the premier league, we just dont have anything for transfers, cos we pump a lot of our income into wages. If we were spending 15-20 million every summer, would anyone be complkaining?? i dont think they would tbh. Its not Bill's fault he hasnt got any money, but if the right offer came in, he would sell. Look at Newcastle, Mike Ashley tired to sell them, they get what, 50k fans in every week?? Nice stadium, and they couldnt find a buyer, so in my eyes, its not as easy as it seems to sell a football club.

    I do hope mate though that we do find a buyer, somebody who wants to pump money into the club, and help us compete for the top 4, but i think in this day and age, with how the economy is in the world, it may prove a very difficult task unfortunately!
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    Everyones perspective is indeed different.... and that was my point of entering this discussion! So thanks for clarifying that :)

    Wigan get a gate of a few thousand yet they managed to buy players.

    Money is killing the game but that is not my concern, I don't want to see Everton fall down the pecking order because we have no money. If we need money and the owners don't have it then there is only one solution. Please don't say there are no rich people out there to buy the club!! Everything has a price. It's strange how the only thing BK requested at the BU meeting is t onot ask how much the club was up for sale... Think about it Amigo! What do you class as the 'right' off??

    FIFA EUFA THE FA didn't care about City either.

    If we spent 20 mil a year we would be on par with the majority of our competitors.

    Newcastle had prospective buyers lining up.... Mike Ashley took it off the market. FACT.

    Everton has not been sold yet... BKs fault!
    BK doesn't have the money to progress Everton as a football club in todays market , he addmitted himself years ago... So why is he still at the helm.
    Are you sure it is not him and his co owners who are restricting the sale due to a high valuation??
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    TBH mate, if they are asking TOO MUCH, then i agree that they should be asking for what the club is worth, not more than what it is worth, until its clarrified, we do not know i suppose! So yes, i agree, it would be good if we knew, then if it was too much, then people have the right to be annoyed. 

    Surely somebody could get hold of this information though?? I.e, getting in touch with the club and 'posing' as i prospective buyer to find out?? bit back hand, but if you want to know you will find it??
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    But the BU have showed us that the board have no intention of telling us... if it was a fair valuation why would they be insistent on not telling us!
    This is exactly why the BU done what they done. It is not in the best interest of the club to have good communication with a bad board, it is in the clubs interest however is to prove that these cowboys have everything but the clubs interest at heart.
    Liverpool couldn't find a seller at the 600m the Americans wanted but as soon as the interim board dropped the valuation they had queues of people wanting the club.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    and the new liverpool board have taken on there debt.....is that what the BU want out of a potential buyer???
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    The debt is run up by the board, it is their job to control the finances! How much do you reckon it cost EFC to go through the whole Kirkby saga? I'm sure that could have payed off the debt instead of trying to dump us into a shed which was proven underhand.

    The cost of Liverpool was as follows,

    (Example figures only)
    Valuation = 500
    Debt = 400
    Price paid for club =100

    So yes they took the debt on but they paid the valuation which just about paid off the debt. It is a little more complicated as they didn't pay off all the debt but the majority of it. The point being, the owners actually owned nothing!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    Imo mate, IF, we had no debt, and owned the training ground etc, we would be in a great position. All we need is 75 million to sort us out. If somebody comes in who jsut tkaes on the debt, we are going to be no better off, unless they pay off everything we owe or they have billions to pump into the club. 


    And you can beleive this or not, im neither for, nor against the board. I jsut want to support EvertonFC :)
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