tickets11 said:

KHL10 said:

Everton FC are a business...their trading deficit is (as told) £5million...so what does any business do to recoup the deficit, in the short term, make more sales.

Arteta. £10million income...savings on salary = £3.64 million
Beckford £3million income...saving on salary = £1 million (estimated)
Yakubu ££1.5 million income..saving on salary =£2million (estimated)

Giving a total income of £14.5 million and saving on salaries of £6.64 million.....

combined £21.14 million.

The problem most of you have is your "clouding" the issues with emotions !!

To all professional footballers "it's a job"...As soon as Arteta asked for the move the "power" of negotiation shifted to arsenal...and we accepted £10 mill... whereas it may of been say £15mill....how many of you would of accepted he'd gone if it had of been £15 million ?

On the field......most of you have constantly complained about his poor performances..yet use his leaving as a stick to beat the club....

The yak "hasn't" played for us (apart from the odd friendly) since the liverpool game...but again some use his sale to beat the club !! we're a striker down...well we have been for a year or so now...

Beckford...i remember telling you lot he was a poacher in the box....we never utilised this ability....he scored some great goals..but was never gonna make it as a proven premiership striker....so we are another striker down....

We replace beckford with the leading Argentinian league striker....unproven, unknown over here..but already being "knocked"...so we are back to where we were...in the strker department...

Everyone has been screaming for a winger/wideman...we bring one in..but thats not good enough for some...however bringing him in frees up osman,barkeley, rodwell...to cover the loss of arteta...more than adequet cover in my opinion.....

As for all this relegation fodder talk.....can you really see that happenning ? REALLY ?

to summarise....DONT CONFUSE BUSINESS... WITH EMOTION......

it clouds your judgement.....

1) you have to ask yourself the question WHY has it been allowed to get to the point we are making a 5m loss.

a few years ago most of the fans knew this day would come but the question that needs to be asked is why didnt kenright look back a few years ago when we were constantly in europe and look at ways we could increase revenue, instead of borrowing money all of the time.

2) if we have a few average seasons finishing 12/13th we will find ourselves in this position again, having to sell key players to keep us affloat.

3)How can you build a team when you lose key players every season, lescott, pienaar and now arteta in back to back seasons.

4)Look at our team now. 

main strike options saha-injury prone

anichebe-ffs

and this new argentian guy who will probably need a season to adjust.

The players we brought wouldnt have even been signed as squad players for the top7.

5)when you relseas 3 players for 15m and only bring in 2 loan players, 1 player whose contracts ends at the end of the season and will probably leave that is jts a stop gap.  No future plan or anything, its a case of "just get through the season".

6) if any of the teams that finished above us did this we would of been laughing our heads off

7) how can you ask players like jags baines and fellaini to commit to the future of the club, when the club is showing no ambition, and losing key players every season.

8) the way things are going I cant even see moyes seeing through the remaining 2 years of his contract, he is now tarnishing his reputation as the team isnt even good enough to get into europe anymore, even the likes of stoke are now starting to get together a decent team.

FFS stop looking through the blue tinted glasses and just think if this was happening to another club apart from everton, maybe then we can get some honest opinions.

kingcahill80 said:

KHL10 said:

kingcahill80 said:

KHL10 said:

Everton FC are a business...their trading deficit is (as told) £5million...so what does any business do to recoup the deficit, in the short term, make more sales.

Arteta. £10million income...savings on salary = £3.64 million
Beckford £3million income...saving on salary = £1 million (estimated)
Yakubu ££1.5 million income..saving on salary =£2million (estimated)

Giving a total income of £14.5 million and saving on salaries of £6.64 million.....

combined £21.14 million.

The problem most of you have is your "clouding" the issues with emotions !!

To all professional footballers "it's a job"...As soon as Arteta asked for the move the "power" of negotiation shifted to arsenal...and we accepted £10 mill... whereas it may of been say £15mill....how many of you would of accepted he'd gone if it had of been £15 million ?

On the field......most of you have constantly complained about his poor performances..yet use his leaving as a stick to beat the club....

The yak "hasn't" played for us (apart from the odd friendly) since the liverpool game...but again some use his sale to beat the club !! we're a striker down...well we have been for a year or so now...

Beckford...i remember telling you lot he was a poacher in the box....we never utilised this ability....he scored some great goals..but was never gonna make it as a proven premiership striker....so we are another striker down....

We replace beckford with the leading Argentinian league striker....unproven, unknown over here..but already being "knocked"...so we are back to where we were...in the strker department...

Everyone has been screaming for a winger/wideman...we bring one in..but thats not good enough for some...however bringing him in frees up osman,barkeley, rodwell...to cover the loss of arteta...more than adequet cover in my opinion.....

As for all this relegation fodder talk.....can you really see that happenning ? REALLY ?

to summarise....DONT CONFUSE BUSINESS... WITH EMOTION......

it clouds your judgement.....

Those emotions are called pride in your club and not wanting to become a laughing stock like Southampton or Leeds a few years ago. It's Kenwright that's got us in this mess and it's him that should get us out of it .... not Moyes' squad via sales ... sell his other business interests not our assets ...

What mess is this then ? We have a debt...so does every other premier team ?
The management team are managing that debt ! dont see whats wrong with that ....
we are not really worse off (if you believe the arteta knockers) on the field...
we actually may have the best striker we've had since graham sharpe/andy gray
we've finally got the wide man we've craved for since kanchelskis...

so tell me what wrong with that ?

PS since when were thay OUR assets....he owns the club ..they are HIS assetts

He doesn't own the club lad ... the bank do until we pay off our debt! The mess that I mentioned is having our best players telling Moyesy they want to leave the club for a club playing champions league football. If the debt hadn't spiralled out of control we would be challanging for honours rather than selling our best players to service the 40 mortgages that Billy boy's got on us. Yes it was good business for our 'current situation' and it's that situation that's the mess ... and who has caused that by signing the cheques .... BILL!! Unless your memory is extremely poor we used to be one of Europes top clubs ... we are now an over achieving mid table club. I'm not saying it's all Kenwrights fault but it's got much much worse since he took over ... I agree that every club has debt but those clubs aren't selling their best players to pay their debts and those that do (Leeds, Southampton, West Ham to name a few) usually end up fighting for relegation and most fo the time losing. If that's good business then you're mental! Re-investment is the only way a club can grow and we would be able to re-invest if not for the state of the finances at the moment.

bluedayz said:

Let me just remind you, it was indeed you who chose to presume what people are and categorise peoples opinions as being 'clouding' with emotion not I.

Yes an apologist... you are making excuses for the board as to why we had to sell. Your excuse is to balance books as 'EFC is a business and has to recoup a deficit'.

You have said all this under a thread of perspective and I am saying perspective as you chose to define it, is not the same when it adheres to a fans opinion. As a fan, and I speak for myself here, we have to trust the people who elect THEMSELVES as board members that they will run the club successfully BUT NOT at the expense of what we all pay to watch and support and that my dear sir is the squad of players we hope will be able to win us silverware. That is the be all and end all I'm afraid!

If the board have to pay debts by selling players then by all means there is nothing we can do about it, however it does not breed much confidence in the fan base when you look at the bigger picture which is the other teams we are expected to compete against, as they have all strengthened to compete against US!!

Why have the board we have to trust failed us on that scale? You will say they haven't failed us as we got 4m for a player we got for free and has not been that good since his arrival. I agree.
You will say we have got Yak off the wage bill, not a failure. I agree.
What I say is we have a squad that is built on self professed moral... it is not rocket science to see that will be dented with Arteta leaving with only 2 hours to go till transer close.
I don't care if he requested to leave... we had no time to find a replacement so we should have said no. Unless of course they were willing to pay over the odds for him!
Modric and Tevez both wanted to leave their clubs with offers of 40m for both being rejected!!
Arteta might not be the best player around but to us he was a big part of the small squad we already have and the breaking to the core of a team can be detriment.
We brought in 1 striker, we lost 3 strikers!
We have finally replaced Pienaar but not Arteta.
This is not amatuerish opinions sir.... this is concerned fans opinions!

At least now you know what it's like to have your opinion insulted and hopefully you won't do it again.

P.S. you've left your caps lock on :)