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Posts: 239September 2011 Everton FC are a business...their trading deficit is (as told) £5million...so what does any business do to recoup the deficit, in the short term, make more sales.
Arteta. £10million income...savings on salary = £3.64 million
Beckford £3million income...saving on salary = £1 million (estimated)
Yakubu ££1.5 million income..saving on salary =£2million (estimated)
Giving a total income of £14.5 million and saving on salaries of £6.64 million.....
combined £21.14 million.
The problem most of you have is your "clouding" the issues with emotions !!
To all professional footballers "it's a job"...As soon as Arteta asked for the move the "power" of negotiation shifted to arsenal...and we accepted £10 mill... whereas it may of been say £15mill....how many of you would of accepted he'd gone if it had of been £15 million ?
On the field......most of you have constantly complained about his poor performances..yet use his leaving as a stick to beat the club....
The yak "hasn't" played for us (apart from the odd friendly) since the liverpool game...but again some use his sale to beat the club !! we're a striker down...well we have been for a year or so now...
Beckford...i remember telling you lot he was a poacher in the box....we never utilised this ability....he scored some great goals..but was never gonna make it as a proven premiership striker....so we are another striker down....
We replace beckford with the leading Argentinian league striker....unproven, unknown over here..but already being "knocked"...so we are back to where we were...in the strker department...
Everyone has been screaming for a winger/wideman...we bring one in..but thats not good enough for some...however bringing him in frees up osman,barkeley, rodwell...to cover the loss of arteta...more than adequet cover in my opinion.....
As for all this relegation fodder talk.....can you really see that happenning ? REALLY ?
to summarise....DONT CONFUSE BUSINESS... WITH EMOTION......
it clouds your judgement.....
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Posts: 47September 2011 great comments. Totally agree. Once the new boys start performing the old ones will soon be forgotten.
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Posts: 17September 2011 Well said Luke. We've traded some players for younger models, just like we do with our cars or our women!
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Posts: 6September 2011KHL10 said:
Everton FC are a business...their trading deficit is (as told) £5million...so what does any business do to recoup the deficit, in the short term, make more sales.
Arteta. £10million income...savings on salary = £3.64 million
Beckford £3million income...saving on salary = £1 million (estimated)
Yakubu ££1.5 million income..saving on salary =£2million (estimated)
Giving a total income of £14.5 million and saving on salaries of £6.64 million.....
combined £21.14 million.
The problem most of you have is your "clouding" the issues with emotions !!
To all professional footballers "it's a job"...As soon as Arteta asked for the move the "power" of negotiation shifted to arsenal...and we accepted £10 mill... whereas it may of been say £15mill....how many of you would of accepted he'd gone if it had of been £15 million ?
On the field......most of you have constantly complained about his poor performances..yet use his leaving as a stick to beat the club....
The yak "hasn't" played for us (apart from the odd friendly) since the liverpool game...but again some use his sale to beat the club !! we're a striker down...well we have been for a year or so now...
Beckford...i remember telling you lot he was a poacher in the box....we never utilised this ability....he scored some great goals..but was never gonna make it as a proven premiership striker....so we are another striker down....
We replace beckford with the leading Argentinian league striker....unproven, unknown over here..but already being "knocked"...so we are back to where we were...in the strker department...
Everyone has been screaming for a winger/wideman...we bring one in..but thats not good enough for some...however bringing him in frees up osman,barkeley, rodwell...to cover the loss of arteta...more than adequet cover in my opinion.....
As for all this relegation fodder talk.....can you really see that happenning ? REALLY ?
to summarise....DONT CONFUSE BUSINESS... WITH EMOTION......
it clouds your judgement.....
Those emotions are called pride in your club and not wanting to become a laughing stock like Southampton or Leeds a few years ago. It's Kenwright that's got us in this mess and it's him that should get us out of it .... not Moyes' squad via sales ... sell his other business interests not our assets ... -
Posts: 4,669September 2011 Arteta asked to leave and we got him off the wage bill, I am happy about this. Yak was no longer wanted and now he is off the wage bill, I am also happy about this. I am disappointed that Moyes sold Beckford though, I thought he had potential, good luck to him though.
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Posts: 239September 2011kingcahill80 said:KHL10 said:
Everton FC are a business...their trading deficit is (as told) £5million...so what does any business do to recoup the deficit, in the short term, make more sales.
Arteta. £10million income...savings on salary = £3.64 million
Beckford £3million income...saving on salary = £1 million (estimated)
Yakubu ££1.5 million income..saving on salary =£2million (estimated)
Giving a total income of £14.5 million and saving on salaries of £6.64 million.....
combined £21.14 million.
The problem most of you have is your "clouding" the issues with emotions !!
To all professional footballers "it's a job"...As soon as Arteta asked for the move the "power" of negotiation shifted to arsenal...and we accepted £10 mill... whereas it may of been say £15mill....how many of you would of accepted he'd gone if it had of been £15 million ?
On the field......most of you have constantly complained about his poor performances..yet use his leaving as a stick to beat the club....
The yak "hasn't" played for us (apart from the odd friendly) since the liverpool game...but again some use his sale to beat the club !! we're a striker down...well we have been for a year or so now...
Beckford...i remember telling you lot he was a poacher in the box....we never utilised this ability....he scored some great goals..but was never gonna make it as a proven premiership striker....so we are another striker down....
We replace beckford with the leading Argentinian league striker....unproven, unknown over here..but already being "knocked"...so we are back to where we were...in the strker department...
Everyone has been screaming for a winger/wideman...we bring one in..but thats not good enough for some...however bringing him in frees up osman,barkeley, rodwell...to cover the loss of arteta...more than adequet cover in my opinion.....
As for all this relegation fodder talk.....can you really see that happenning ? REALLY ?
to summarise....DONT CONFUSE BUSINESS... WITH EMOTION......
it clouds your judgement.....
Those emotions are called pride in your club and not wanting to become a laughing stock like Southampton or Leeds a few years ago. It's Kenwright that's got us in this mess and it's him that should get us out of it .... not Moyes' squad via sales ... sell his other business interests not our assets ...
What mess is this then ? We have a debt...so does every other premier team ?
The management team are managing that debt ! dont see whats wrong with that ....
we are not really worse off (if you believe the arteta knockers) on the field...
we actually may have the best striker we've had since graham sharpe/andy gray
we've finally got the wide man we've craved for since kanchelskis...
so tell me what wrong with that ?
PS since when were thay OUR assets....he owns the club ..they are HIS assetts -
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Posts: 17September 2011 Those emotions are called pride in your club and not wanting to become a laughing stock like Southampton or Leeds a few years ago. It's Kenwright that's got us in this mess and it's him that should get us out of it .... not Moyes' squad via sales ... sell his other business interests not our assets
Kenwright doesn't take a salary from EFC but he makes his money from his other business interests. You don't seriously think he would sell those do you? Like has been stated EFC is a business and will be run that way. They don't care about your (and my) pride in the club as long as you keep paying to come and watch. If Arteta's money goes to the bank, it will reduce the interest payments and we can buy someone in January. Lets hope we don't suffer in the meantime.
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Posts: 1,002September 2011KHL10 said:
Everton FC are a business...their trading deficit is (as told) £5million...so what does any business do to recoup the deficit, in the short term, make more sales.
Arteta. £10million income...savings on salary = £3.64 million
Beckford £3million income...saving on salary = £1 million (estimated)
Yakubu ££1.5 million income..saving on salary =£2million (estimated)
Giving a total income of £14.5 million and saving on salaries of £6.64 million.....
combined £21.14 million.
The problem most of you have is your "clouding" the issues with emotions !!
To all professional footballers "it's a job"...As soon as Arteta asked for the move the "power" of negotiation shifted to arsenal...and we accepted £10 mill... whereas it may of been say £15mill....how many of you would of accepted he'd gone if it had of been £15 million ?
On the field......most of you have constantly complained about his poor performances..yet use his leaving as a stick to beat the club....
The yak "hasn't" played for us (apart from the odd friendly) since the liverpool game...but again some use his sale to beat the club !! we're a striker down...well we have been for a year or so now...
Beckford...i remember telling you lot he was a poacher in the box....we never utilised this ability....he scored some great goals..but was never gonna make it as a proven premiership striker....so we are another striker down....
We replace beckford with the leading Argentinian league striker....unproven, unknown over here..but already being "knocked"...so we are back to where we were...in the strker department...
Everyone has been screaming for a winger/wideman...we bring one in..but thats not good enough for some...however bringing him in frees up osman,barkeley, rodwell...to cover the loss of arteta...more than adequet cover in my opinion.....
As for all this relegation fodder talk.....can you really see that happenning ? REALLY ?
to summarise....DONT CONFUSE BUSINESS... WITH EMOTION......
it clouds your judgement.....
1) you have to ask yourself the question WHY has it been allowed to get to the point we are making a 5m loss.a few years ago most of the fans knew this day would come but the question that needs to be asked is why didnt kenright look back a few years ago when we were constantly in europe and look at ways we could increase revenue, instead of borrowing money all of the time.
2) if we have a few average seasons finishing 12/13th we will find ourselves in this position again, having to sell key players to keep us affloat.
3)How can you build a team when you lose key players every season, lescott, pienaar and now arteta in back to back seasons.
4)Look at our team now.
main strike options saha-injury prone
anichebe-ffs
and this new argentian guy who will probably need a season to adjust.
The players we brought wouldnt have even been signed as squad players for the top7.
5)when you relseas 3 players for 15m and only bring in 2 loan players, 1 player whose contracts ends at the end of the season and will probably leave that is jts a stop gap. No future plan or anything, its a case of "just get through the season".
6) if any of the teams that finished above us did this we would of been laughing our heads off
7) how can you ask players like jags baines and fellaini to commit to the future of the club, when the club is showing no ambition, and losing key players every season.
8) the way things are going I cant even see moyes seeing through the remaining 2 years of his contract, he is now tarnishing his reputation as the team isnt even good enough to get into europe anymore, even the likes of stoke are now starting to get together a decent team.
FFS stop looking through the blue tinted glasses and just think if this was happening to another club apart from everton, maybe then we can get some honest opinions.
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Posts: 148September 2011 the team isnt even good enough to get into europe anymore, even the likes of stoke are now starting to get together a decent team.How do you know this? The season's 2 games old and we have points on the board. How do you know we aren't good enough to finish 5th/6th, or have a good cup run?Or finish bottom and win the fair play league?We have a more than capable squad of players and good luck to the lads for the rest of the season.
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Posts: 902September 2011 Your right but we Everton fans are known for being passonite. Still Arteta could have gone for more money but has helped the club by getting 10 mill for himself and removing him from the wage bill. Yak should have gone last year if not the year before and Beckford could have stayed but we do not play the right football for him.
Yes both players in have there problems but at leat there Loans and not signings. Give them time to adjust an we will see. -
Posts: 1,091September 2011 We are doing the same thing as Villa only in my opinion we are a stronger team after clearing debt.
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Posts: 1,002September 2011
IhateRS said:We are doing the same thing as Villa only in my opinion we are a stronger team after clearing debt.
stronger team?????????? we release 2 strikers and bring 1 in, and release arteta and replace im with drenthe.this is meant to have strengthened our team.
even SSN said the biggest losers of the transfer window were everton, an already depleated team getting worse and taking a punt on 2 unproven players and hoping it works. Then they said how they feel sorry for moyes, and how the players are all going to react when they come back from international duty.
this wont stop here either, 15m gives us a breahter, for maybe 2 years after that the same thing will happen again.
What moyes has ensured is for his remainng 2 years, BK wont bother him about needing money to pay off the banks, so what little of a team he has can remain together.
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Posts: 120September 2011 Just for the record, Drenthe is not Arteta's replacement... he is Pienaars!
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Posts: 1,091September 2011tickets11 said:
IhateRS said:We are doing the same thing as Villa only in my opinion we are a stronger team after clearing debt.
stronger team?????????? we release 2 strikers and bring 1 in, and release arteta and replace im with drenthe.this is meant to have strengthened our team.
even SSN said the biggest losers of the transfer window were everton, an already depleated team getting worse and taking a punt on 2 unproven players and hoping it works. Then they said how they feel sorry for moyes, and how the players are all going to react when they come back from international duty.
this wont stop here either, 15m gives us a breahter, for maybe 2 years after that the same thing will happen again.
What moyes has ensured is for his remainng 2 years, BK wont bother him about needing money to pay off the banks, so what little of a team he has can remain together.
Yep, Arteta was poor for two seasons, Yak was a bench warmer and Beckford was only played because Moyes had to, he clearly didn't rate him.
We now have two players that look like they could be useful. Drenthe is widely regarded as one of the quickest players in football and the other lad has the build to be a one up front type of striker and scores goals for fun in the Argy league.
In my opinion we got rid of three average players in exchange for two decent ones but time will tell.
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Posts: 6September 2011KHL10 said:kingcahill80 said:KHL10 said:
Everton FC are a business...their trading deficit is (as told) £5million...so what does any business do to recoup the deficit, in the short term, make more sales.
Arteta. £10million income...savings on salary = £3.64 million
Beckford £3million income...saving on salary = £1 million (estimated)
Yakubu ££1.5 million income..saving on salary =£2million (estimated)
Giving a total income of £14.5 million and saving on salaries of £6.64 million.....
combined £21.14 million.
The problem most of you have is your "clouding" the issues with emotions !!
To all professional footballers "it's a job"...As soon as Arteta asked for the move the "power" of negotiation shifted to arsenal...and we accepted £10 mill... whereas it may of been say £15mill....how many of you would of accepted he'd gone if it had of been £15 million ?
On the field......most of you have constantly complained about his poor performances..yet use his leaving as a stick to beat the club....
The yak "hasn't" played for us (apart from the odd friendly) since the liverpool game...but again some use his sale to beat the club !! we're a striker down...well we have been for a year or so now...
Beckford...i remember telling you lot he was a poacher in the box....we never utilised this ability....he scored some great goals..but was never gonna make it as a proven premiership striker....so we are another striker down....
We replace beckford with the leading Argentinian league striker....unproven, unknown over here..but already being "knocked"...so we are back to where we were...in the strker department...
Everyone has been screaming for a winger/wideman...we bring one in..but thats not good enough for some...however bringing him in frees up osman,barkeley, rodwell...to cover the loss of arteta...more than adequet cover in my opinion.....
As for all this relegation fodder talk.....can you really see that happenning ? REALLY ?
to summarise....DONT CONFUSE BUSINESS... WITH EMOTION......
it clouds your judgement.....
Those emotions are called pride in your club and not wanting to become a laughing stock like Southampton or Leeds a few years ago. It's Kenwright that's got us in this mess and it's him that should get us out of it .... not Moyes' squad via sales ... sell his other business interests not our assets ...
What mess is this then ? We have a debt...so does every other premier team ?
The management team are managing that debt ! dont see whats wrong with that ....
we are not really worse off (if you believe the arteta knockers) on the field...
we actually may have the best striker we've had since graham sharpe/andy gray
we've finally got the wide man we've craved for since kanchelskis...
so tell me what wrong with that ?
PS since when were thay OUR assets....he owns the club ..they are HIS assetts
He doesn't own the club lad ... the bank do until we pay off our debt! The mess that I mentioned is having our best players telling Moyesy they want to leave the club for a club playing champions league football. If the debt hadn't spiralled out of control we would be challanging for honours rather than selling our best players to service the 40 mortgages that Billy boy's got on us. Yes it was good business for our 'current situation' and it's that situation that's the mess ... and who has caused that by signing the cheques .... BILL!! Unless your memory is extremely poor we used to be one of Europes top clubs ... we are now an over achieving mid table club. I'm not saying it's all Kenwrights fault but it's got much much worse since he took over ... I agree that every club has debt but those clubs aren't selling their best players to pay their debts and those that do (Leeds, Southampton, West Ham to name a few) usually end up fighting for relegation and most fo the time losing. If that's good business then you're mental! Re-investment is the only way a club can grow and we would be able to re-invest if not for the state of the finances at the moment. -
Posts: 120September 2011 If you want to put things into perspective, you can do so on a much simpler scale.
Football is a sport, one that was never originally a 'business' as such, just a game we all loved and began supporting.
As a fan of EFC I do not give a monkeys about the business side of things but instead the game, what happens on the pitch and how we intend to compete in all competitions to try and bring silverware back to this once proud club!
Do not get me wrong, I am well aware EFC and football is now run as a business but that is for the members who elected themselves to run EFC as a business, not you or I.
So when I see our squad being depleted to balance books, that is not my judgement being clouded with emotion... not at all. It is my concern that EFC will not be able to compete in the competion we are in due to the fact that the elected board members haven't been able to operate the club as well as they should and are allowing the bad business decisions made in the past affect what I as a fan care about and that is what happens on the pitch.
On that note I think it is you who has had your judgement clouded over, by accepting that we have not 'kept up with the jones' and by the jones I mean the other teams in the league we are expected to compete against. The truth is, we are standing still or some might say going backwards but at the expense of the so called business men running our beloved club!
You KHL10 are an apologist for something, as a fan should not concern you. As a fan your priority should be the squad and how they can perform against the other competitive teams in the Premier League... full stop!
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