sambo applecart

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April 2012 Cue tickets.....

tickets11

Posts: 1,002

April 2012

Moyes looking to bring in signings as early as possible, I dont think I've heard him say this before.  I people really that stupid that they are going to fall for the same crap every season

Think its best for both parties to go there separate ways, Moyes has had 10 year here and won nothing,  the team has stagnated in recent years, he has signed some decent players but you would expect that having been manager for 10 years.

he did well when he first got here offered us stability, but now he has taken us as far as we can and with him still here we will continue to stagnate.  we have been basically standing still in recent years and as the table show  if you do that in the top half of the league you will slide backwards.  It was only 3 years ago we were comfortably getting "the best of the rest" in 5th place.

with a new manager and a new brand of football I think we can do better then what moyes offers us.  Players he has had for years like hibbert, osman cahill distin neville are now getting on and it doesent look like moyes is going to ship them out before they hit their decline. 

Moyes has done his time we need a change and I think over the last few seasons more and more people are beginning to realise this.  especially after the derby at wembley, that was his chance and he failed

sambo applecart

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April 2012 And what happens if we get a new manager and the continuity we have had under Moyes disappears? We have had 10 years of solid football, solid league finishes, yes, granted no trophy, but Portsmouth have an Fa Cup win in that time, but where are they now? 

tickets11

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April 2012

westderbylpool said:

yer an its the teams above us in 5th that have spent more money than us in recent years he hasn't taken us as far as his abilitys allow he can only work with what hes got so getting a new manager in isn't going to bring investment so cant see anyone out there who can take us further than moyes 

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billionaires aside, money aslo comes from success, arsenal dont spend much but are always up there, newcastle have also done very well despite losing nolan, barton enrique and carroll.

If we hadnt messed up when we got 4th place we would be looking at different team to what we have now.

and dont fall for the old moyes hasnt had money he has had enough, from player sales or other means, you have to look at his transfers, fellaini for 15m was he really a good buy for 15m,  has his value increased, bearing in mind mascherano captain of argentina and brought by barcelona for 22m, has the team improved that much with fellaini there.

getting 24m for lescott and then buying bily (who left for half the price) Distin (who will leave for free) and hetinga.

rejecting 5m for yak and then selling him 1 year later for 1.5m, fighting hard to keep jags when arsenal were after him for 12-15m, now he is nearly 30 and wouldnt fetch 8m.  keeping pienaar until he had 6 months left so we got hardly anything for him.

poor business decisions have had their part to play aswell.  not to mention BK's ***** ups behind the scenes.

tickets11

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April 2012

sambo applecart said:

And what happens if we get a new manager and the continuity we have had under Moyes disappears? We have had 10 years of solid football, solid league finishes, yes, granted no trophy, but Portsmouth have an Fa Cup win in that time, but where are they now?

What IF a new gaffer gives us a league cup trophy but we get relegated into the championship? Which would you prefer?

Imo, we have solidity with Moyes in charge, and the only thing that can help us push on for top 4 or to win a trophy is top spend i would think, at least 30 million, and even if we get a new gaffer he aint going to get that money to spend.

We have a striker now that can score goals and link up play (granted we need another as back up incase Jelly gets injured) and i would like to hope that will bode well for next season. If Moyes does some tinkering to the squad and manages to bring in 2 or 3 faces in the summer, there is no reason why we cant really push on for the top 5 again.

With next to nothing to spend for nearly 2 years, he has done well in keeping us in the top 8. And now he has that striker we AND the team have needed for god knows how long, there is the possibility we can start looking up again. And in the time we HAVN'T had that striker he has done his job efficiently and kept us very competitive.

A new manger with next to nothing to spend WONT catapult us into the top four or guarantee us a trophy.

Just a thought like

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moyes has had his time tho a lot of fans are fed up with his negative tactics, this season more then ever.

and I wouldnt go on too much about jelavic, saha, yak beattie aj were exactly the same in their first season, and they all flopped. Dont you remember yaks 21 goals in his first season, we even made comparisons to torres (when he was at lverpool) "who needs torrres when we have yakubu" remember????

and that point abuot "we only need 2 or 3 players" we have been saying that for about 5 or 6 years.  just like we say if we get a new RB and start the season well I think we can get top4, all so familiar sambo.

someone posts a link up about if the league started at a certain time we would be top 4, and the the comment comes out "if we start the season well I think we can get top4"

NSNO

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April 2012 its a tough one to call now......

if i was betting i'd still expect Moyes to leave in the summer....but that all depends on him being offered the Spurs job....no other job that might be available to him would be a step up....

I also think the Jelavic signing has been a bit of a game changer.....things looked really bad for our club before christmas, we had no goalscorer and team confidence had died a death....thats all changed now with 1 player....

But there’s still a massive re-building job to be done…..Cahill, Osman, Neville, Distin, Hibbert all need replacing in the next year or 2…….players like McFadden, Anichebe, Straquilarsi will likely move on soon enough……drenthe is gone already….and people talk a lot about signing Pienaar, but he’s 30 now, so would it be good business to sign him for £4-5m with a 4 or 5 year contract on big wages?

We really needed Rodwell to have shined this season for us & England…..had we been in a position to cash in on him for £20-25m in the summer, then I think Moyes would have stayed and rebuilt the team over the next 2 seasons…….

But without any transfer funds…..its a tough job to keep us where we are……maybe Rodwell finally comes good next year, maybe Barkley breaks into the team and does well……..…but being realistic, we may have to cash in on Baines or Fellaini, which would be 1 massive step back now, to hopefully take 2 steps forward in the long run…..

sambo applecart

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April 2012

tickets11 said:

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How did we mess up when we got 4th?! A cheating referee cost us a place in the CL group stages. Had we qualified we would have got that money to spend and would have been in a healthier position b'cos if it. 

koolhandluke8

Posts: 3,007

April 2012 same old drivel from tickets..

he's been saying for 2 year distins legs have gone
we're stagnating
moyse cant ake us any futher
if we hadn't messed CL league up !!

he continually fails to mention the recoupment of money for player sales...
recouping the likes of pienaar on loan
signing quality like jellyman
fellaini isn'tworth £15 million
YAWN YAWN YAWN !!!

HE'S SOOOOOO BORING NOW ...HE SHOULD APOLOGISE ..THEN GIVE IN.....

ToffeeCup

Posts: 2,980

April 2012

People who say Arsenal don't spend money are as thick as pig sh*t.

Cast you minds back to the affair that got cashley cole his name....Viera (how long ago was it that he was at Arsenal?) was on 90k a week....and cashley wanted the same....didn't get it after a drawn out and public winge fest he went to Chelsea.

That started in 2005....I'm not sure how long Viera had been on 90k by then.... but its fair to say that premiership clubs have seen their TV money go up and up since then.

Does anyone expect Everton to have a player on 90k a week by 2015?

Thats the thing with football and money....you can made the club an offer they can't refuse....or you can offer a player so much money he'll run down his contract and come to you for free or on the cheap in order to get the wage you've offered his agent.

Moyes can't do either.

HOWIE8

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April 2012 An if ya know yer istory..............look in each years newspapers for April, Moysey says the same thing each time, we wanna get them in early, IF POSS.........it usually isnt poss..........