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Posts: 127March 2012 This is what a supporter wrote in the newspaper INDEPENDENT, and i totally agree with him:
Can we PLEASE nail the idea that we (Everton) had some kind of 'either-or' choice re the Liverpool and Sunderland games.
Fact: We could have had BOTH (nb: winning sides don't get tired).
Fact: We had (with some luck) worked as a team and beaten a very good, MUCH WEALTHIER Spurs side on the Saturday.
Fact: We were 9 games unbeaten and went to Anfield to face a 'losing', very average Liverpool side.
(for many, the worst Liverpool side since pre-Shankly)
Did Moyes 'seize the initiative'?
Did he go for the throat?
No, in effect he said 'you can have it, I don't believe my players are capable of winning here AND beating Sunderland'.
Well, as the 'guid book' says, "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (or rather NOT reap)
It was a HUGE kick in the teeth for supporters.
A white flag waved to....THEM.
Many longtime supporters of Moyes (finally!) turned and saw him for what he is.
A good man, a decent man, an honest man, but a man devoid of imagination.
A man for whom dour/philosophically presbyterian is a 'comfort zone'.
Usually this dour 'quality' is a accompanied by a refusal to lie down, but in Moyes case, it seems his 'bottle' and nerve are (rightly) now being questioned.
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Posts: 2,181March 2012 Wtf, why the biblical references, and this managed to get in the independent, now I know all papers are sh*t.
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Posts: 217March 2012since 1978 said:
This is what a supporter wrote in the newspaper INDEPENDENT, and i totally agree with him:
Can we PLEASE nail the idea that we (Everton) had some kind of 'either-or' choice re the Liverpool and Sunderland games.
Fact: We could have had BOTH (nb: winning sides don't get tired).
Fact: We had (with some luck) worked as a team and beaten a very good, MUCH WEALTHIER Spurs side on the Saturday.
Fact: We were 9 games unbeaten and went to Anfield to face a 'losing', very average Liverpool side.
(for many, the worst Liverpool side since pre-Shankly)
Did Moyes 'seize the initiative'?
Did he go for the throat?
No, in effect he said 'you can have it, I don't believe my players are capable of winning here AND beating Sunderland'.
Well, as the 'guid book' says, "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (or rather NOT reap)
It was a HUGE kick in the teeth for supporters.
A white flag waved to....THEM.
Many longtime supporters of Moyes (finally!) turned and saw him for what he is.
A good man, a decent man, an honest man, but a man devoid of imagination.
A man for whom dour/philosophically presbyterian is a 'comfort zone'.
Usually this dour 'quality' is a accompanied by a refusal to lie down, but in Moyes case, it seems his 'bottle' and nerve are (rightly) now being questioned.-----------------
yeh I felt let down last week, nicely put
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Posts: 1,537March 2012since 1978 said:
This is what a supporter wrote in the newspaper INDEPENDENT, and i totally agree with him:
Can we PLEASE nail the idea that we (Everton) had some kind of 'either-or' choice re the Liverpool and Sunderland games.
Fact: We could have had BOTH (nb: winning sides don't get tired).
Fact: We had (with some luck) worked as a team and beaten a very good, MUCH WEALTHIER Spurs side on the Saturday.
Fact: We were 9 games unbeaten and went to Anfield to face a 'losing', very average Liverpool side.
(for many, the worst Liverpool side since pre-Shankly)
Did Moyes 'seize the initiative'?
Did he go for the throat?
No, in effect he said 'you can have it, I don't believe my players are capable of winning here AND beating Sunderland'.
Well, as the 'guid book' says, "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (or rather NOT reap)
It was a HUGE kick in the teeth for supporters.
A white flag waved to....THEM.
Many longtime supporters of Moyes (finally!) turned and saw him for what he is.
A good man, a decent man, an honest man, but a man devoid of imagination.
A man for whom dour/philosophically presbyterian is a 'comfort zone'.
Usually this dour 'quality' is a accompanied by a refusal to lie down, but in Moyes case, it seems his 'bottle' and nerve are (rightly) now being questioned.-----------------
I was backing Moyes' decision to rest players, but you're right. We went in having already lost the game. We shouldn't have rested anyone.
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Posts: 7,950March 2012 We have had some big Everton Legends appear to do talks at our local supporters club, If Moyes was ever to come i wouldnt go. I think it would be interesting to hear him talk and his thoughts and stories but after last week i have loast all respect for the man as he has of us as supporters, i would be afraid of what i'd say to him and if i had too many to drink, well we'd better not go there.....
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Posts: 989March 2012 It wasn't just Moyes who let everyone down it was the 11 who started as well it was a collective let down against theShittest Liverpool team in years and it just goes to show howShite english football now is that they still actually win things and yet we can't capitalise by winning anything its very boring now
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Posts: 1,430March 2012 'squad rotation', i hate it, but it seems that all the prem league managers think its necessary.
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Posts: 91March 2012 this decision to bottle it against the RS might have been justyfied if we,d have stuffed sunderland,but our strongest "rested" team struggled against them,and they got stuffed by blackburn last nite.......things changed for me with this club and management after the derby team selection
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Posts: 3,247March 2012Jxg said:
I was backing Moyes' decision to rest players, but you're right. We went in having already lost the game. We shouldn't have rested anyone.
sorry but that's a nonsense comment to make......Moyes doesn't get a do-over, so why should you....you can't criticise after the fact, when you would have done the same thing as Moyes......
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Posts: 767March 2012 i wish people would stop citing the Blackburn match as a level of how poor Sunderland are and how we should have easily beaten them too if Blackburn can.
it was a completely different game. blackburn are scrapping for premier league survival and Sunderland are looking at mid table to 8th at best really... the FA Cup is a different matter for them, they upped their game for the FA Cup and maybe took their eye off the league last night in the same manner we did against Liverpool.
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Posts: 3,247March 2012Whiskeyandspeed84 said:
i wish people would stop citing the Blackburn match as a level of how poor Sunderland are and how we should have easily beaten them too if Blackburn can.
it was a completely different game. blackburn are scrapping for premier league survival and Sunderland are looking at mid table to 8th at best really... the FA Cup is a different matter for them, they upped their game for the FA Cup and maybe took their eye off the league last night in the same manner we did against Liverpool.
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Posts: 1,094March 2012 Just to point out if a rested team couldn't beat Sunderland, don't you think we would be out of the cup by now and no changes would of stopped Gerrard last week either to be fair, its whether we would of scored 3 against them and I doubt it.. I think we would of lost 3-2 or similar.. I also think we would of been out against Sunderland already. My only dissapointment is Anichebe played adn Jags repalced Heittinga.
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Posts: 115March 2012 If moyes wasn't everton manager we would not be in the position of playing in an FA cup quarter final and possibly even an annual merseyside derby.
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Posts: 767March 2012eire blue said:
If moyes wasn't everton manager we would not be in the position of playing in an FA cup quarter final and possibly even an annual merseyside derby.
agreed, and i know people's counter argument to that will be "yeah but that was 10 years ago, we should be progressing from a "safe" team to one that constantly challenges for cups and european football"
well firstly we need to be competitive in the transfer market to bring the types of players in who can do that, even just one £7 - 10 mill signing each summer keeps the rest of the squad enthusiastic as opposed to the doom and gloom of "we dont have 2 pennys to rub together"
The other point being, as much as we would all like to think we're the only football club in the universe and that life revolves around us, there are 19 other teams in the premiership, the majority of who also think they have a god given right to be constantly challenging for Europe and trophys... unfortunately somebody has to miss out, but law of averages say we will be the one to finish 4th occasionally or get to Wembley occasionally. That's not lack of ambition as an Everton fan, it's realism that every other club is ambitious too. -
Posts: 767March 2012 sorry got distracted by "work" or whatever it is theyre paying me to do ;)
just to add to the point about us being competitive in the transfer market, i dont think it's fair to write off Dave Moyes as a poor manager for not winning a trophy in 10 years until he has had consistent investment in the club and we can see what he can do when he can actually buy the players he wants to and not the players he has to settle for.
when we did have soem small 'investment' and break out transfer record each season we were getting in to Europe as a result, which may not be a cup in the Trophy cabinet but is definitely something to measure success with.
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