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Why do we always start bad
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    Just still confusses me that we never start the season well or even OKAY.

    What are peoples thoughts about this.

    To late back to training bad management?

    It is just so frustrating that when we get injuries and the new year starts we seem to start to perform then when the bigger players return they start to perform. Why on earth do we never start on day one always week 20 etc
  • bluetouch
    Posts: 1,230
    Its a tradition.
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    A tradition we need to lose and very quickly.

    If we were better in the first half of the prem we would have had euro football for the last 5 years ARRGGGHHHH
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    I think we never over exert ourselves in the first half of the season physically. If you watch us the first 18 games or so, we never, even agaisnt the top 6 sides play at a high tempo, as soon as it gets around xmas time, we start going through the gears. I personally think its cos alot of teams start running out of steam the last third of the season, and we are there to take advantage of it as we havnt over exerted ourselves. I'm probably talking crap, but, it makes sense to me :)
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,303
    I don't think it's any one thing. Rather a combination of a few. I sometimes find Moyes himself isn't as intense in the early part of seasons and maybe its something he needs to examine. I also think our pre season games have to be against teams that more closely replicate compeditive football. We're not a team like Man Utd or whoever who will win alot of games in second gear. We have to be in top gear all the time - and that's very difficult to do for a whole season. As Moyes has said, if we did start a season really well (and it has happened a couple of times in the last number of seasons), we'd probably fall back later in the season!
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    Can understand that but they are paid VERY well and should be able to perform every game. I know life is not perfect and you can not play 100% all of the time but you should be trying to perform your best all of the time
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    But they are paid professionals they should be trying to perform to there best abiliuty all of the time.
  • sajw6619
    Posts: 11
    Its got to be down to bad preparation through pre season. Pre season should be all about fitness and stamina not taking it easy which what it looks like from the outside looking in. If only we got a flier 1 season we would be pushing for 4th again
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002

    with no european football theres no excuse, a lot of the time we only play 1 game per week and some of our players dont play at international level so get around 10 days rest 5 or 6 times per season.


    Theres no excuse for it.



  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    it must have something to do with the pre-season training, and moysey should have sorted it by now. it isnt acceptable and its gotta stop.

    the players are far to complacent about it.

    the traditional pre-season trip to some sunny resorts should stop. send the buggers to finland for the pre-season. and tell them if the dont get their fingers out it will be pre-season in finland every year until they do.
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    I wonder if we will ever find the problem do you think it is related to the secret of life?
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,303
    sajw6619 said:

    Its got to be down to bad preparation through pre season. Pre season should be all about fitness and stamina not taking it easy which what it looks like from the outside looking in. If only we got a flier 1 season we would be pushing for 4th again



    I sometimes wonder if it's the opposite. Do we maybe work the players TOO hard in pre-season and having them knackered when the season starts. This occurred to me when I watched our pre-season friendlies in Werder Bremen and Wolfsberg and such like over the last couple of August's where the players looked tired!

    You can't ignore the transfer depression we start every season with too!
  • Kim Jong-il
    Posts: 989
    Jayee019 said:

    Just still confusses me that we never start the season well or even OKAY.

    What are peoples thoughts about this.

    To late back to training bad management?

    It is just so frustrating that when we get injuries and the new year starts we seem to start to perform then when the bigger players return they start to perform. Why on earth do we never start on day one always week 20 etc


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    Because the squads not good or big enough for a full season.

    But at least we're owned by a true blue eh lads?
  • weverett
    Posts: 137
    Moyes allegiences cause the problem.  He refuses to acknowledge given the general lack of talent (caused by budgetary constraints) we have no choice to but to fit the right players together if we want to compete.  Instead he insists on old standbys who embody the everton spirit (or some horseshit) and it turns out they cant even pass the ball around without crumbling.  It isnt until injuries force him to change his lineup that the team starts to work.

    Things that seem obvious to us are, for whatever reason, not obvious to moyes.  I have said in the past that he is the worst match-day manager in the prem, and this is why.


  • milky71
    Posts: 8,788
    Jayee019 said:

    Just still confusses me that we never start the season well or even OKAY.

    What are peoples thoughts about this.

    To late back to training bad management?

    It is just so frustrating that when we get injuries and the new year starts we seem to start to perform then when the bigger players return they start to perform. Why on earth do we never start on day one always week 20 etc


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    It's down to **** poor management.

    " seasons ago Rodwell and coleman had great pre-seasons.

    First game away to blackburn we played a half fit Fellaini with Rodwell on the bench and coleman not eeven in the squad.
    Moyes relies too heavily on his older pro's and doesn't trust the youth he has invested in.

    The same can be said about this season.
    Vellios and Barkley have both shgown glimpses of ability yet don't play.
    Whilst players like Cahill,Neville and Saharetain their places despite being woefully out of form.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,303
    weverett said:

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    all this horseshit about Moyes' allegiances to the likes of Neville and Cahill causing our poor starts is exactly that. Horseshit!

    If you consider the start of our Prem season to be the first one-third of games....so the first 13 games....Cahill started 6 of those games. Neville started 5.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    Beano said:

    all this horseshit about Moyes' allegiances to the likes of Neville and Cahill causing our poor starts is exactly that. Horseshit!

    If you consider the start of our Prem season to be the first one-third of games....so the first 13 games....Cahill started 6 of those games. Neville started 5.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh!


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    Your a font of knowledge Beano mate al give you that!
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,303
    sambo applecart said:

    Your a font of knowledge Beano mate al give you that!


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    I used the history tab in the fantasy football stats as a cheat sheet. Ya still admire me tho don't Ya! :D
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    Beano said:

    I used the history tab in the fantasy football stats as a cheat sheet. Ya still admire me tho don't Ya! :D


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    Of course mate i couldn't have been arsed to do that. :D
  • weverett
    Posts: 137
    Beano said:

    all this horseshit about Moyes' allegiances to the likes of Neville and Cahill causing our poor starts is exactly that. Horseshit!

    If you consider the start of our Prem season to be the first one-third of games....so the first 13 games....Cahill started 6 of those games. Neville started 5.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh!


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    And what was the squad for the rest?  osman?  heitinga out of position?  coleman on the wing? saha when he was usless? 

    DM was quoted on this site saying he went to a 4-4-1-1 because cahil was playing, but even when hes sitting we stay in this heartless formation.  he played heitinga and bily and coleman out of position for two years.  He even puts fellaini up front from time to time, even though he's a horrible goal scorer.  There is a clear lack of scoring firepower, yet he keeps putting in the same squard game after game.  His stubborness on match day costs.  a lot.

    There was talk recently of him taking over chelsea, spurs, or even man u.  Given his squad management its likely he wouldnt last 6 months in those places where the owners demand more.  he gets kudos for "doing more with less" but there seems very little evidence that he could do "more with more".  To assume he would win trophies every year with a bigger budget is a non sequitur.

    No horseshit.  the point stands. 
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,685
    Moyes does make some questionable decisions but people forget about those mistakes because he seems to be good at pretty much everything else!
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