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  • Ozzwaldo
    Posts: 13
    Afternoon all.

    Not been on here for a long time, so I thought I might make a post just to share my current views on my beloved club.  As some of you know, I am not a Liverpudlian but a Yorkshireman (we do not choose, we are chosen - I was chosen) so perhaps in some way, despite my passion for the club, I have a bit of an outsiders perspective, which I believe is relevant to this.

    Over the years of the desperate late nineties, Johnson, KEIOC protests and the various other mini calamities which seem to come with supporting Everton, I have generally been positive and thought things would work out in the end.  Even when Coventry kept us up on goal difference, I still felt there was a corner to turn.  In recent months, I have changed my views somewhat.

    First things first, everyone has their view on Moyes.  Mine is that he is one of the best things to happen to this club since the eighties.  He has his faults, as all managers do, but I think it would be a disaster if we lost him.  To me, the benchmark of a manager is how he is viewed within the game, and you don't become one of the most respected managers in the game (by pros and fans alike, friends who support other teams tell me how lucky we are to have him) without knowing a thing or two.

    The point of this rather long preamble is to bring me to the thing that has dented my previous positive attitude.  I defended Kenwright on here throughout the Kirkby mullarkey and argued that I would rather have him than some fly by night billionaire who wanted a new plaything for a while.  However, the fortunes of my beloved club recently have made me consider this position.  There was a point a month or two back that I seriously considered us to be relegation prospects - unlikely now, but just staying up will not do.  We have gone backwards at an alarming rate since our brief Champoins League flirtation, and I think that is mostly down to Bill Kenwright.  I now find myself in the convoluted position of wanting a new chairman who will bring in the desperately needed investment, yet also having the genuine love for the club that the current one clearly has; somehow I don't think in today's ultra business minded game, these two are compatible.

    Thoughts?
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 2,979

    :fetches clown suit:
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002

    Cant see the ownership changing hands now or in the foreseeable future.  moyes contract up in 2013 I really cant see him signing, and thats when I think the ***** going to hit the fan.  I think kenright will have breathing space until then,


    If the club 

  • Ozzwaldo
    Posts: 13
    ToffeeCup said:


    :fetches clown suit:


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    git!




  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 2,979
    Ozzwaldo said:

    ToffeeCup said:


    :fetches clown suit:


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    git!





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    hahaha
  • Ozzwaldo
    Posts: 13
    tickets11 said:

    Cant see the ownership changing hands now or in the foreseeable future.  moyes contract up in 2013 I really cant see him signing, and thats when I think the ***** going to hit the fan.  I think kenright will have breathing space until then,


    If the club 


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    I have said to several football minded friends that I feel strongly there is some sort of pre-agreement/unspoken agreement about him taking over from old clown face Ferguson when he finally decides to call it a day.  I really hope not.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,278
    We'd all like to see a Billionaire owner
    Even Bill himself would

    But the reality is, we are not a profitable business - and all the protesting in clown suits in the world isn't gonna make us one - at least not to an extent deemed worthwhile by someone filthy rich whose objective is to get significantly more filty rich!

    There may be one or two Billionaires out there who just want the thrill of owning a Premier League club and who don't mind throwing a few hundred million quid at it and losing it all. But even they would rather throw it at a club where they'll make a profit if they can!
  • Ozzwaldo
    Posts: 13
    Beano said:

    We'd all like to see a Billionaire owner
    Even Bill himself would

    But the reality is, we are not a profitable business - and all the protesting in clown suits in the world isn't gonna make us one - at least not to an extent deemed worthwhile by someone filthy rich whose objective is to get significantly more filty rich!

    There may be one or two Billionaires out there who just want the thrill of owning a Premier League club and who don't mind throwing a few hundred million quid at it and losing it all. But even they would rather throw it at a club where they'll make a profit if they can!


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    My simple one word reply Beano old chap, which I believe takes the wind out of that argument somewhat is -




    Blackburn
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,278
    Ozzwaldo said:

    tickets11 said:

    Cant see the ownership changing hands now or in the foreseeable future.  moyes contract up in 2013 I really cant see him signing, and thats when I think the ***** going to hit the fan.  I think kenright will have breathing space until then,


    If the club 


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    I have said to several football minded friends that I feel strongly there is some sort of pre-agreement/unspoken agreement about him taking over from old clown face Ferguson when he finally decides to call it a day.  I really hope not.



    I personally don't think Man Utd will have him as their top choice. I believe they will go for more Chelsea type managerial targets - but without sacking the manager every time he doesn't win the doubke (the sacking of Anchelotti was ridiculous - they're gone like real madrid for sacking managers)
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,278
    Ozzwaldo said:

    Beano said:

    We'd all like to see a Billionaire owner
    Even Bill himself would

    But the reality is, we are not a profitable business - and all the protesting in clown suits in the world isn't gonna make us one - at least not to an extent deemed worthwhile by someone filthy rich whose objective is to get significantly more filty rich!

    There may be one or two Billionaires out there who just want the thrill of owning a Premier League club and who don't mind throwing a few hundred million quid at it and losing it all. But even they would rather throw it at a club where they'll make a profit if they can!


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    My simple one word reply Beano old chap, which I believe takes the wind out of that argument somewhat is -




    Blackburn


    Well then you have misunderstood my argument which is:

    No Billionaire will buy us unless most Permier League (and even many Championship) clubs are out of their reach. And we're nowhere near that point at this time.

  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 2,979

    Hate to say it but its about wealth creation. There are parts of the world, currently China is the best bet, where it is taking place.

    You need someone from those places to get involved, spuff money on the club against the the tax incurred by their global business activities and then look to sell the club on agin in 12-15 years time to the next whoever is raking it in then.

    Football clubs don't make money, full stop. But buying one, spending money that is worthless to you on it and then selling it. That turns a profit.

    Ken Bates bought Chelsea for £1 in 1982 and after paying off the debts he'd ran up sold them in 2003 and pocketed £17 million.

    Ken Bates made sod all out of them while he owned them.

    Roman Abramovich parted with £140 million to buy Chelsea in 2003, how much do you think they are worth now?

    Oh and Mr Abramovich has made approximately -£360 million while owning them so far.




    I just don't get why anyone would think buying a club and building it up ever makes any money. In the modern world, its just a very enjoyable tax write off that presents you with a wonderful retirement pay off when you sell up to the next generaton of wealth hoovering uber magnate.
  • HOWIE8
    Posts: 7,543
    A question for all...............What would you want BK to do if he struck lucky and became a multi billionaire, continue with running the club or still try and find another billionaire to buy him out ??
  • Ozzwaldo
    Posts: 13
    Beano said:

    Ozzwaldo said:

    Beano said:

    We'd all like to see a Billionaire owner
    Even Bill himself would

    But the reality is, we are not a profitable business - and all the protesting in clown suits in the world isn't gonna make us one - at least not to an extent deemed worthwhile by someone filthy rich whose objective is to get significantly more filty rich!

    There may be one or two Billionaires out there who just want the thrill of owning a Premier League club and who don't mind throwing a few hundred million quid at it and losing it all. But even they would rather throw it at a club where they'll make a profit if they can!


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    My simple one word reply Beano old chap, which I believe takes the wind out of that argument somewhat is -




    Blackburn


    Well then you have misunderstood my argument which is:

    No Billionaire will buy us unless most Permier League (and even many Championship) clubs are out of their reach. And we're nowhere near that point at this time.


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    Right, when you put it that way I do see your point.  I also agree with TC, the days of philanthropist chairmen investing in the club they love knowing they won't see a return are gone, now it's an easy way of siphoning funds without worrying about the tax.  In that sense, Kenwright is really one of the last of a dying breed.  For EFC (especially BIll) and most importantly the fans, I think we need to recognise that or sink without trace.
  • Ozzwaldo
    Posts: 13
    HOWIE8 said:

    A question for all...............What would you want BK to do if he struck lucky and became a multi billionaire, continue with running the club or still try and find another billionaire to buy him out ??


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    Good question!  As I said in my original post, I supported Kenwright, I don't think he is the wrong man per se, simply I think in the modern multi billion football business he is out of his depth and needs to step aside, I think his mind is still in the Jack Walker etc era when a millionaire had more than enough resources to compete, the reality now is very different.  If he had the funds to back up his undoubted love for the club, I don't see there would be any need for discussion.  Harsh, perhaps, but that's modern football for you.
  • toffee crisp
    Posts: 298
    tickets11 said:

    Cant see the ownership changing hands now or in the foreseeable future.  moyes contract up in 2013 I really cant see him signing, and thats when I think the ***** going to hit the fan.  I think kenright will have breathing space until then,


    If the club 


    ----------------- you said moyes was gonna leave last summer for the aston villa job lol. i hate ur guts tickets i really do. but when ever u say we wont get investment i believe the opposite when u say moyes wont sign i believe the opposite so keep saying what ur saying because ur only giving me hope after every post. and baines was supposed to leave for the R/S right keep talking dikead cuz ur wrong every time




  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    toffee crisp said:

    tickets11 said:

    Cant see the ownership changing hands now or in the foreseeable future.  moyes contract up in 2013 I really cant see him signing, and thats when I think the ***** going to hit the fan.  I think kenright will have breathing space until then,


    If the club 


    ----------------- you said moyes was gonna leave last summer for the aston villa job lol. i hate ur guts tickets i really do. but when ever u say we wont get investment i believe the opposite when u say moyes wont sign i believe the opposite so keep saying what ur saying because ur only giving me hope after every post. and baines was supposed to leave for the R/S right keep talking dikead cuz ur wrong every time





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    when did I ever say moyes was going to villa as soon as it was known lerner was looking to cut costs, all of the decent managers pulled out.  can you find any link to back this up..... nope becuase it never happened.baines to the RS you must of dug deep in your **** to get that one out, because I never said it.


    If moyes does sign then you save this in your favrouties and then bring it out if I am wrong.


    moyes signed a 5 year deal before as we were involved in building a new stadium, and invesment would have come soon after that.  on top of that we were comfrtably getting top5/6 finishes every season and we had a young team coming through, with players of high value we couold sell at any time if we had to.

    now what has moyes got to look forward to, bringing in loan signings and hope they are good enough every season get a grip ffs.  yout think any team will take a chance with moyes when he cant even get us into europe anymore, use you head ffs.

  • 1ceablue
    Posts: 3,253
    HOWIE8 said:

    A question for all...............What would you want BK to do if he struck lucky and became a multi billionaire, continue with running the club or still try and find another billionaire to buy him out ??


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    That's a very good question Howie, are you sure it's yours.......

    .....anyway, I would want Bill to continue. In fact even if someone bought us out I would prefer that Bill remained...... Cue abuse...
  • StDomingoes
    Posts: 4
    Whether people like it or not I believe that we will always struggle to get investment because of our name!

    I think man city managed to be bought out because they had the name 'Manchester' and united had done the hard work and put the name on the footballing map!

    Now please don't take the the wrong way because I wouldn't want to be called anything else but for a second think about if the two teams in Liverpool were called Liverpool united and Liverpool city then both clubs would be an attractive proposition. Our problem is if you speak to a foreigner and ask if they know where everton is they will probably say no, ask them where Liverpool is and they know instantly. Marketing a football team abroad is a key factor for investors.

    Secondly I also think the days of a billionaire buying a prem club is very slim now, why would you want to buy a club in the prem and fight against all the other top clubs knowing to get on a level playing field you would need to spend in excess of 200m to become a challenger when you can buy a club in another European country, spend less and get into champs league! This is why clubs in Spain and France are looking more appealing ie Malaga and PSG!

    We needed to attract investment 5 years ago as we all know! I think we have missed the boat in terms of massive investment.

    I hope I am wrong and we do get the investment needed!!
  • Kim Jong-il
    Posts: 989
    Ozzwaldo said:

    Afternoon all.

    Not been on here for a long time, so I thought I might make a post just to share my current views on my beloved club.  As some of you know, I am not a Liverpudlian but a Yorkshireman (we do not choose, we are chosen - I was chosen) so perhaps in some way, despite my passion for the club, I have a bit of an outsiders perspective, which I believe is relevant to this.

    Over the years of the desperate late nineties, Johnson, KEIOC protests and the various other mini calamities which seem to come with supporting Everton, I have generally been positive and thought things would work out in the end.  Even when Coventry kept us up on goal difference, I still felt there was a corner to turn.  In recent months, I have changed my views somewhat.

    First things first, everyone has their view on Moyes.  Mine is that he is one of the best things to happen to this club since the eighties.  He has his faults, as all managers do, but I think it would be a disaster if we lost him.  To me, the benchmark of a manager is how he is viewed within the game, and you don't become one of the most respected managers in the game (by pros and fans alike, friends who support other teams tell me how lucky we are to have him) without knowing a thing or two.

    The point of this rather long preamble is to bring me to the thing that has dented my previous positive attitude.  I defended Kenwright on here throughout the Kirkby mullarkey and argued that I would rather have him than some fly by night billionaire who wanted a new plaything for a while.  However, the fortunes of my beloved club recently have made me consider this position.  There was a point a month or two back that I seriously considered us to be relegation prospects - unlikely now, but just staying up will not do.  We have gone backwards at an alarming rate since our brief Champoins League flirtation, and I think that is mostly down to Bill Kenwright.  I now find myself in the convoluted position of wanting a new chairman who will bring in the desperately needed investment, yet also having the genuine love for the club that the current one clearly has; somehow I don't think in today's ultra business minded game, these two are compatible.

    Thoughts?


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    Do oneMick hucknall feeds will have a wet dream do you still look like mick hucknall?


    Nah I may doft(dunno if thats applicable(may be a scally but I can spell applicable) my hat if I wore one to you sire you're a good'un



  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    StDomingoes said:

    Whether people like it or not I believe that we will always struggle to get investment because of our name!

    I think man city managed to be bought out because they had the name 'Manchester' and united had done the hard work and put the name on the footballing map!

    Now please don't take the the wrong way because I wouldn't want to be called anything else but for a second think about if the two teams in Liverpool were called Liverpool united and Liverpool city then both clubs would be an attractive proposition. Our problem is if you speak to a foreigner and ask if they know where everton is they will probably say no, ask them where Liverpool is and they know instantly. Marketing a football team abroad is a key factor for investors.

    Secondly I also think the days of a billionaire buying a prem club is very slim now, why would you want to buy a club in the prem and fight against all the other top clubs knowing to get on a level playing field you would need to spend in excess of 200m to become a challenger when you can buy a club in another European country, spend less and get into champs league! This is why clubs in Spain and France are looking more appealing ie Malaga and PSG!

    We needed to attract investment 5 years ago as we all know! I think we have missed the boat in terms of massive investment.

    I hope I am wrong and we do get the investment needed!!


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    Welcome to the forum mate, sensible posts are few and far between, nice one! 
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    "We have gone backwards ... and I think that is mostly down to Bill Kenwright.  

    really?

    I now find myself in the convoluted position of wanting a new chairman who will bring in the desperately needed investment,"

    well is it BK or a lack of money? is it BK's fault he's not a billionaire?

    "I think man city managed to be bought out because they had the name 'Manchester' and united had done the hard work and put the name on the footballing map!"

    there are far more hard headed reasons than that.

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