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My Two Cents Worth
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    All last season, it was !Moyes will never drop his favorites no matter how poor their form/fitness/ability"
    It was "Anichebe is untouchable, Arteta is untouchable Fellaini is untouchable".


    First game of the season, all these players are dropped and it changes to wtf was Moyes at not startng Fellaini and Arteta?

    A bit of perspective - We had an absolutely awful half hour between about the 50th and 80th minute or so - but the rest of the time we weren't THAT bad. Created lots of chances, gave them no chances apart from the goal and one flash in the first couple of minutes, but things just wouldn't go our way.

    I was very happy when I saw the team sheet before the game. With the possible exception of Rodwell on the right....but I was more relieved that Vic wasn't there than anything! I think when Arteta came on, he showed Moyes was right not to pick him - absolute muck performance!

    I've been saying all Summer that I'm all for selling Jagielka if we can get Arsenal's bid up to around £18 Million. After Saturday I am saying louder than ever, take Arsenal's dosh and 4ookin LEG IT! What's he gonna be like against a team that actually carries a big forward threat? That kind of money for a 29 year old is something we can't afford to turn down!

    Fact is, if Baines' free kick had gone 2 inches lower, we'd have hammered them and nobody would have had any problem with team selection! If we were to play the game again next weekend, with the same circumstances, I don't know what I would do differently except maybe try Osman and Arteta in the wide positions with Rodwell not starting! But as I said, given Arteta's awful form and lack of a pre-season, I don't really think it would be any better - unless something fell our way and we got some better luck than Saturday! Saha would have been a starter if he was fit enough - but he wasn't - as usual!

    I also think people need to stop talking about formations and actually look at the positions players are operating in rather than just what players are on the pitch. It was the same all last season - people talking about us playing 4-4-2 when we weren't - people talking about us playing 4-5-1 when we weren't. I've even heard some say we were playing 4-6-0 for a time on Saturday. Tripe!

    I'm gonna miss the Blackburn game next weekend. I must remember not to come here to try to get a feel for what the game was like - coz here, with most people, it's all as simple and fundamental as; if we win, the team selection/tactics were great. If we don't....selection/tactics were all wrong!

    But I'll watch Tottenham tonight with great interest for signs on whether the delayed start to the season has any effect on them! Not sure if it was an issue for us, it certainly didn't help. But watching Spurs tonight will be interesting!
  • cjohno
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    QuoteFlagBeano
    Posts: 51
    11:50AM All last season, it was !Moyes will never drop his favorites no matter how poor their form/fitness/ability"
    It was "Anichebe is untouchable, Arteta is untouchable Fellaini is untouchable".


    First game of the season, all these players are dropped and it changes to wtf was Moyes at not startng Fellaini and Arteta?

    and as you say its first game of season and everyone gets a fresh start, moyes didnt drop these players when they were playing poor last season, well felli was injured second half of season, surely you go into first game of season with your best players and go from there.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    cjohno said:


    QuoteFlagBeano
    Posts: 51
    11:50AM All last season, it was !Moyes will never drop his favorites no matter how poor their form/fitness/ability"
    It was "Anichebe is untouchable, Arteta is untouchable Fellaini is untouchable".


    First game of the season, all these players are dropped and it changes to wtf was Moyes at not startng Fellaini and Arteta?

    and as you say its first game of season and everyone gets a fresh start, moyes didnt drop these players when they were playing poor last season, well felli was injured second half of season, surely you go into first game of season with your best players and go from there.



    I think he did go into the game with his best players. Altho selection on right midfield was a problem with Coleman injured and suspended! Players like Fellaini who haven't had a pre-season, or players like Saha who can only last 20 minutes can hardly be counted as "best". Arteta did nothing but show me that Moyes was right not to include him! Awful! People suggested last season that dropping him and showing him that he's not guaranteed a place in the team would give him a much needed kick up the @rse. It certainly didn't seem to motivate him on Saturday! General play, awful - set pieces, even worse!!
  • blue4eva77
    Posts: 276
    Weren't you one of the ones that were convinced playing a couple of decent teams in pre-season would give us the fitness and sharpness infront of goal that has been lacking from our starts to the seasons ??

    I don't care about the team selection to be honest as we had more than enough to beat that team.

    I do however care about how poorly we played and how we totally lacked the required fitness and sharpness it takes to win at this level. Where was it ?...... Where was this sharpness you said would come from playing decent teams in pre-season ?

    Baines' freekick have gone in, we would of hammered them ?? What a stupid comment.
  • milky71
    Posts: 9,136
    Team selection was poor not due to players but down to formation.

    We played 4 CM players Rodwell should never play RM and why play Anichebe at LM for most of the pre-season then drop him.

    Preparation in pre-season was poor yet again

    1 man to blame Moyes
  • blue4eva77
    Posts: 276
    milky71 said:

    Team selection was poor not due to players but down to formation.

    We played 4 CM players Rodwell should never play RM and why play Anichebe at LM for most of the pre-season then drop him.

    Preparation in pre-season was poor yet again

    1 man to blame Moyes

    It seems to me as though Moyes is trying to force players into playing positions that are problem areas for us.

    Lack of funds and no new faces yet again. Its like he is trying to be clever and create another ' master-stroke '.



  • milky71
    Posts: 9,136
    Why not try and find a formation that suits the players rather than forcing players to fit the formation.

    As it stands we have 3 good CB and a wealth of good CM so surely attempting to play either a 532 with Baines playing as a wing back or a 541 formation with a diamond in Midfield of Rodwell holding Osman and Barkly centre and Cahill as the top point.

    Playing behind the main striker
  • deso1957bc
    Posts: 545

    Weren't you one of the ones that were convinced playing a couple of decent teams in pre-season would give us the fitness and sharpness infront of goal that has been lacking from our starts to the seasons ??

    I don't care about the team selection to be honest as we had more than enough to beat that team.

    I do however care about how poorly we played and how we totally lacked the required fitness and sharpness it takes to win at this level. Where was it ?...... Where was this sharpness you said would come from playing decent teams in pre-season ?

    Baines' freekick have gone in, we would of hammered them ?? What a stupid comment.



    It's a welcome relief to read some common sense on here.
    Well done!

  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455

    Weren't you one of the ones that were convinced playing a couple of decent teams in pre-season would give us the fitness and sharpness infront of goal that has been lacking from our starts to the seasons ??

    I don't care about the team selection to be honest as we had more than enough to beat that team.

    I do however care about how poorly we played and how we totally lacked the required fitness and sharpness it takes to win at this level. Where was it ?...... Where was this sharpness you said would come from playing decent teams in pre-season ?

    Baines' freekick have gone in, we would of hammered them ?? What a stupid comment.




    I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
    I said I didn't want us to go playing crap teams in places like the USA and Australia and instead, play decent teams from the European continent. But we went to the USA! How exactly have I been proven wrong when we did exactly waht I didn't want?

    And yes, Baines' free kick goes in, the game changes, exactly as it did for Bolton against them the previous Saturday!
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    milky71 said:

    Team selection was poor not due to players but down to formation.

    We played 4 CM players Rodwell should never play RM and why play Anichebe at LM for most of the pre-season then drop him.

    Preparation in pre-season was poor yet again

    1 man to blame Moyes



    Firstly, pre season is about giving EVERONE game time at a decent level. Not just the starting 11. All our squad were used in pre season. ALl bar 11 of them were dropped. Thats kinda how it's supposed to work!

    Seconly, I dont think Vic played LM for MOST of pre-season

    Thirdly, Ya moan when vic is picked and ya moan when he isn't

    Lastly, when you don't have match fit left or right midfielders in your squad, you kind of have to play others there. Relating to your later point, I really don't think playing 5 defenders across the back with no attempt to have any width at all except for overlapping full backs (which we already use alot) is gonna make us a better attacking threat.

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