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Posts: 3,247January 2012 Inspired by Mark Lawrensone's article this morning where he said Moyes is right back where he started 10 years ago, I thought I'd look at the squad then Vs the squad now
OK I know it's not March yet - but we know what the squad will be in March unless we HOPEFULLY get one new signing (hoping for 2 might be pushing it)
March 2002
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...............Simonsen
Watson....Stubbs...Weir....Pistone
Gemmill....Carsley..Gravesen....Alexandersson
.............Radzinski...Ferguson
Gerrard
Hibbert
Naysmith
Cleland
Unsworth
Osman
Ginola
Linderoth
Pembridge
Blomqvist
Campbell
March 2012 (bar hopfully at least one signing)
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.......................Howard
Hibbert....Jagielka.....Distin....Baines
Coleman.....Fellaini....Gibson...Drenthe
.........Cahill
..............Saha
Mucha
Hahnemann
Neville
Heitinga
Duffy
McFadden
Gueye
Barkley
Rodwell
Osman
Straq
Vellios
Anichebe
Baxter
McAleny
So is Mark Lawrsnson right? Not forgetting our debt in 2002 was around half what it is now (I think).
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2012/01/26/mark-lawrenson-a-decade-on-and-david-moyes-is-almost-back-where-he-began-with-everton-fc-99623-30199636/
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Posts: 3,062January 2012 At first i though the current team is alot better......but when you think about, its probably much of a muchness now........3 seasons ago the players we had we're a massive improvement on the 2002 team......but now we have aging players playing without hunger & passion......
so on paper, todays team looks better....but sadly on grass they're both equally mediocre....
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Posts: 2,450January 2012 Not even sure that today's team even looks better on paper, say what you like about Lawrenson but you have to admit he makes a very good and valid point here.
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Posts: 1,396January 2012 I have to agree with NSNO and escla - the two teams are much of a likeness.
A couple of our youngsters now are more promising than what we had back then, but seeing how they'll probably have to be sold off it is academic.
I'd like to think the potentiol of our current squad is greater than that of the old one, but current performances put them equal. -
Posts: 2,450January 2012 Well we had promising youngsters back then too, one that springs to mind is a chap called Rooney, do we have another Rooney ?
Think not. -
Posts: 461January 2012 Two great dogs of war in the middle. Honest hard working team back then. Sad to say it but its hard to believe we have increased our debt so much, having sold so many players, yet have a team now that is **** all better.
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Posts: 1,396January 2012escla said:
Well we had promising youngsters back then too, one that springs to mind is a chap called Rooney, do we have another Rooney ?
Think not.
Not anyone near his level.
And I keep him out of the equation as he didn't appear on the team list in the original post. -
Posts: 3,247January 2012BlueShark said:escla said:
Well we had promising youngsters back then too, one that springs to mind is a chap called Rooney, do we have another Rooney ?
Think not.
Not anyone near his level.
And I keep him out of the equation as he didn't appear on the team list in the original post.
I could be worng, but I don't think Rooney appeared in a matchday squad on or before Moye's first game!
That's why I left him out! -
Posts: 606January 2012 The similarities are the age in my book I think. I personally think if the work rate for this season was high this current team would be a far better side.
We've all seen the abilities our current squad bring to our team but why they havn't excelled in themselves this season. Not one bit -
Posts: 2,450January 2012Beano said:BlueShark said:escla said:
Well we had promising youngsters back then too, one that springs to mind is a chap called Rooney, do we have another Rooney ?
Think not.
Not anyone near his level.
And I keep him out of the equation as he didn't appear on the team list in the original post.
I could be worng, but I don't think Rooney appeared in a matchday squad on or before Moye's first game!
That's why I left him out!-----------------
A month later, April 2002 he was on the bench for his premiership debut against Southamton. -
Posts: 118January 2012
i agree with him that we are ALMOST back to where we were 10 years ago, id have any of the forward players from back then though, radzinski, big dunc, campbell. after that i think we have better players in all the other positions.
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Posts: 3,247January 2012jaybeck said:
The similarities are the age in my book I think. I personally think if the work rate for this season was high this current team would be a far better side.
We've all seen the abilities our current squad bring to our team but why they havn't excelled in themselves this season. Not one bit
If you made a combined team from the 2, (hypothetically having the 2002 team being now the age they were then obviously), do you not find it's pretty much 50/50?
On the plus side for the team of today, the transfer value of today's team should be about 3 times more than the 2002 team at today's prices.
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Posts: 2,989January 2012 tyhe big difference for me is the expectation level..back then it was survival....now it's finish top 6 !!
puts a different perspective on the comparisons !!! -
Posts: 3,247January 2012koolhandluke8 said:
tyhe big difference for me is the expectation level..back then it was survival....now it's finish top 6 !!
puts a different perspective on the comparisons !!!
I think you'd fairly struggle to find a single Evertonian that expects to finish in the top 6 next season without significant investment! 6th is now the long shot that 4th used to be! -
Posts: 19,448January 2012 I think Luke makes a valid point. Our expectations are now much higher. Admittedly top 6 is a tad optimistic but its a position we did enjoy and one that we are smarting over not having a sniff of now.
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Posts: 2,989January 2012Beano said:koolhandluke8 said:
tyhe big difference for me is the expectation level..back then it was survival....now it's finish top 6 !!
puts a different perspective on the comparisons !!!
I think you'd fairly struggle to find a single Evertonian that expects to finish in the top 6 next season without significant investment! 6th is now the long shot that 4th used to be!
agree at this moment in time..however asked at the beginning of the season i rather think you'd have gotten a differetn answer !! -
Posts: 3,247January 2012koolhandluke8 said:Beano said:koolhandluke8 said:
tyhe big difference for me is the expectation level..back then it was survival....now it's finish top 6 !!
puts a different perspective on the comparisons !!!
I think you'd fairly struggle to find a single Evertonian that expects to finish in the top 6 next season without significant investment! 6th is now the long shot that 4th used to be!
agree at this moment in time..however asked at the beginning of the season i rather think you'd have gotten a differetn answer !!
But I said next season - which hasn't started. And I don't think I would get a different answer - for next season!
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Posts: 2,450January 2012OldGoldenVision said:
WORD!
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That pashmima on yer shoulder looks a bit gay OGV !
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