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Posts: 3,247January 2012 This is gonna cause some debate.
Bilys dad said:
‘The situation at Everton has reached the point where he has to leave. Diniyar has wanted to leave for six months. I don’t think he has a choice, especially with Euro 2012 coming up.’
‘In terms of his creativeness Diniyar has stagnated. The same thing happened to Mikel Arteta. I don’t want to question Moyes’s qualifications, but if he’d got more out of his defensive players, then his creative players wouldn’t have dropped off so much in recent years.’
http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-news/bilyaletdinov-snr-moyes-is-to-blame-my-sons-stagnation/ -
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Posts: 1,396January 2012 Sounds worryingly believeable.
Although I don't think DM needs to start getting more out of his defensive players (I'm assuming he means Defenders) , he just needs to stop getting all our midfielders and forwards to play as defensively as they currently do. -
Posts: 2,989January 2012 i think thats what he's trying to say BS...if they (defenders) played better we wouldn't need to be so defensive throught the team...
reminds me of the getting into champs league season our defence was solid !! thats what got us there ..IMO... -
Posts: 1,396January 2012koolhandluke8 said:
i think thats what he's trying to say BS...if they (defenders) played better we wouldn't need to be so defensive throught the team...
reminds me of the getting into champs league season our defence was solid !! thats what got us there ..IMO...-----------------
Happy days they were as well KHL!
I just don't think that our defenders are playing that badly, though I agree they are not as solid as in the past.....I just feel DM should be instructing our forwards and midfielders to attack more than they currently do. We seem to be desperately trying to prevent conceding goals (and failing) at the expense of trying to score ourselves. How many games is it since we dished out a hammering? The current style of trying to nick a 1-0 win is boring me bloody senseless to be be honest!
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Posts: 2,989January 2012BlueShark said:koolhandluke8 said:
i think thats what he's trying to say BS...if they (defenders) played better we wouldn't need to be so defensive throught the team...
reminds me of the getting into champs league season our defence was solid !! thats what got us there ..IMO...-----------------
Happy days they were as well KHL!
I just don't think that our defenders are playing that badly, though I agree they are not as solid as in the past.....I just feel DM should be instructing our forwards and midfielders to attack more than they currently do. We seem to be desperately trying to prevent conceding goals (and failing) at the expense of trying to score ourselves. How many games is it since we dished out a hammering? The current style of trying to nick a 1-0 win is boring me bloody senseless to be be honest!
I couldn't agree more...but unfortunately thats moyes' way and while he's in charge he can pick it that way...
at the minute with the players we've got including the loan players..i'd love to see us go back to the old school 4-3-3...we could easily accomodate that formation... imo..would suit saha great..would suit our midfielders..and our wide players..
just mu Opinion... -
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Posts: 1,423January 2012 bilys dads pratt.bily has hardly done any work since he's been with everton. he's simply not good enough and doesnt do enough. , and thats why he's going home. unlike arteta, no english club want him.
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Posts: 989January 2012Knoxy2001e said:
bilys dads pratt.
bily has hardly done any work since he's been with everton. he's simply not good enough and doesnt do enough. , and thats why he's going home. unlike arteta, no english club want him.-----------------
Kin ell are you doing on here at that hour you knoxymoron?
YouShit the bed ?
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Posts: 989January 2012Knoxy2001e said:
kimjongsicko, old sewer brain is back.
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was it your colostomy bag old spice?
Ironic isn't it you've got a sewer strapped to your enormous gut
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Posts: 3,060January 2012 have thought about this, and i don't agree with Bily's dad........a big reason for our problems over the past couple of years has been our lack of quality & pace out wide.....and Bily's poor performances haven't helped in those areas.
When we had pienaar out left, we had some quality out there and he linked up play well with Arteta & felli in the centre, and baines down his own side. At that time we had very little down the right hand side (osman, bily, neville at times...all average).....so donovan came 2 years ago on loan, the quality he gave us on that side massively improved our overall team performance. When Pienaar left it was Bily's chance to shine, and he failed. At times last season when Coleman has played on the right we have been more adventurous and dangerous (but his missed pretty much all this season now).......and drenthe at times (when he's fit), gives us some bite.........but overall or wide players have let us down over the past 2 seasons......and Billy was the worst offender....... -
Posts: 2,951January 2012 I like billy and his dad is right if a little selective with the truth.
Fair enough we are too defensive at time and Billy game is his creativity and his attacking flair. So that doesn't make much of a good marriage at all. When we had Arteta and Pienaar ten maybe we was a good attacking substitute.
But that is all he was because, and this is the part his dad fails to point out, he was too slow to be a winger in the prem and was not physically strong enough to make his creativity account for much else where on the pitch either.
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Posts: 192January 2012 It's not bad defenders, it's overly defensive tactics and dodgy goals doing us damage. Yes I agree some teams we do need to focus on prevention (e.g Man City, Villa) but we should attack teams and Moyes should give our more postive players some freedom. He's pretty much becoming a footballing dictator, like Kim Jong Il but without any threat of attack.
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Posts: 118January 2012Beano said:
This is gonna cause some debate.
Bilys dad said:
‘The situation at Everton has reached the point where he has to leave. Diniyar has wanted to leave for six months. I don’t think he has a choice, especially with Euro 2012 coming up.’
‘In terms of his creativeness Diniyar has stagnated. The same thing happened to Mikel Arteta. I don’t want to question Moyes’s qualifications, but if he’d got more out of his defensive players, then his creative players wouldn’t have dropped off so much in recent years.’
http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-news/bilyaletdinov-snr-moyes-is-to-blame-my-sons-stagnation/billy is a very poor player at this level of football, he got plenty of chances, hes looked at in training day in day out for the last few years. its bad when anichebe can get the nod ahead of him down the left. hes not a winger, a midfielder or anything else, just a poor player who will only do well in a poor russian league. billys dad is talking through his pie hole.
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Posts: 49January 2012 I think Bily's dad has been giving an unbalanced view of things, but then he is Bily's dad!
Okay a lot of folk think Bily was not played in his best position, but a creative player should be able to show something of his creativity whether out wide, as Pienaar did, or in the centre, as Arteta did. Sadly Bily didn't really didn't seem to offer that much whenever or wherever he got his chances. Though he did score a few lovely goals and deserves credit for that!
As for Bily's dad's point about DM expecting creative players to defend - what does he think the "creative" players should do when the opposition have the ball? Other teams have creative players who not only pose a threat when they have the ball, but also work to put pressure on their opponents when they have possession.
I'd have loved to see Bily doing well, but to be fair, I don't think he has what was needed. I wish him well for the future anyway!
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