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Line up when all fit??
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
                                       Howard

    Neville         Jagielka                  Distin        Baines

                     
                    Rodwell                    Fellaini


    Donovan                                                   Drenthe

                              Gibson

                     Anichebe


    Whats everyone think?? Bench of anyone of, Saha, Hetinga, Osman, Billy, Coleman (who can take Donovans place when he goes) Cahill (who can play behind the striker if Gibson plays along side Felli or Rodwell) Barkley, Hibbert who can play rb instead of Neville, Duffy, Vellios.


    When everyone's fit, things dont look so bad do they really. But i'd still be trying to offload Billy to get a striker, and i would probably still be looking at eventually putting Coleman to right back (or buying Onouha) and buying a creative midfielder.

    The potential to wangle the transfer market is there if we just work it correctly, and to bring in the players we need even on our shoe string budget. Things could improve massively i hope in the next few months :)

    COYB!
  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    Gibson is not a forward. He played well yesterday but played deeper also with only one infront of him will be limited with passing options. Also we all ask for him to play 2 up top but then when selecting teams only pick one striker. I would go:

    Howard

    Neville/Coleman Jags Distin/Hietinga Baines

    Felliani

    Donovan Gibson/Osman Drenthe

    Saha
    Vellios/Denis

    Feel Anichebe still needs to prove himself. If we need to go to a 4-5-1 I would play both Osman and Gibson in the middle. I would like to see Coleman at RB and given a run at it. Also start giving Barkley some game time in the middle when fit.

    Saha is having a bad run but with someone else dragging the defense around and creating more room I think he could become more influancial. Yesterday he had some good link up play with Donovan.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    mattyod said:

    Gibson is not a forward. He played well yesterday but played deeper also with only one infront of him will be limited with passing options. Also we all ask for him to play 2 up top but then when selecting teams only pick one striker. I would go:

    Howard

    Neville/Coleman Jags Distin/Hietinga Baines

    Felliani

    Donovan Gibson/Osman Drenthe

    Saha
    Vellios/Denis

    Feel Anichebe still needs to prove himself. If we need to go to a 4-5-1 I would play both Osman and Gibson in the middle. I would like to see Coleman at RB and given a run at it. Also start giving Barkley some game time in the middle when fit.

    Saha is having a bad run but with someone else dragging the defense around and creating more room I think he could become more influancial. Yesterday he had some good link up play with Donovan.


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    Anichebe still needs to prove himself and Denis and Vellios dont? Vellios has looked worse than Anichebe has any time that he has started and im just wondering where Rodwell comes into your equasion?? I would then, drop Gibson in to play along side fellaini or Rodwell if he plays deeper and give Rodwell OR Osman the free role behind the striker, most probably Osman as he will most likely create more chances than Rodwell would. 

    Ive never asked for him to play 2 up top, for all the whiners on here, 4-4-2 doesnt work for us, we are schooled to play the way we do for a reason, and i dont have gibson playing upfront anyway, he is playing infront of Rodwell and Fellaini in the middle of the park just slightly more forward than those 2, THE wingers can get forward to support the striker so it shifts from 4-5-1 to 4-3-3 smoothly when we are attacking then back to 4-5-1 when we are defending.
  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    Agreed Vellio and Denis need to prove themselves but have had very little opportunities while at Everton. What I meant with Anichebe is that he has failed to produce time and time again for us and therefore after 2 goal we should not expect too much.

    Hopefully he will start producing but as fickle as people are it will only take a couple of starts like the spurs game where he does little and they get on his back. The way we play and how the games have turned out the strikers have had better success coming off the bench.

    With regards to Rodwell he is one of our better players but IMO I would only have one of Rodwell or Felliani and personally I feel Felliani offers more as a DM. Rodwell has shown signs of offering a bit of creativity but as he is expected to become a CD his strengths are definitely defensive.

    I don't think we have ever given 4-4-2 a proper go under Moyes and when he has normally Cahill plays upfront and hes not a striker. Saha is not a single striker because he likes to drop deep and link play therefore having 2 up top would allow him to offer more. I would like to see him with a goalscorer which Denis was doing in Argentina and although hasnt done much yet keen to see if he can. Otherwise we need to spend a lot of money to get someone doing it. Dont have a major issue with a 4-5-1 but feel if we do we should look to have Osman and Gibson in the middle to offer more going forward.

    I think this season our biggest problem has been playing players out of position and selecting too many defensive players. This has meant that we do not have a threat through the middle and defending against us becomes simple, stop Baines. Donovan has offered something new and Drenthe has shown glimpses but we need a playmaker and hopefully Gibson can do that. Osman has also got it in him but needs to be central not out on the wing. If we can cut out the silly mistakes we have a strong defence so can afford to only go with one holding mid.

    With regards to your team would you consider Coleman at RB? Although he is not as strong defensively would give us a theat going forward from both full backs especially with his pace. Think he could work well with Donovan and lets be honest Baines isnt the best Defender but is always the first on the team sheet.
  • bluenosescouser
    Posts: 30
    sambo applecart said:

                                       Howard


    Neville         Jagielka                  Distin        Baines

                     
                    Rodwell                    Fellaini


    Donovan                                                   Drenthe

                              Gibson

                     Anichebe


    Whats everyone think?? Bench of anyone of, Saha, Hetinga, Osman, Billy, Coleman (who can take Donovans place when he goes) Cahill (who can play behind the striker if Gibson plays along side Felli or Rodwell) Barkley, Hibbert who can play rb instead of Neville, Duffy, Vellios.


    When everyone's fit, things dont look so bad do they really. But i'd still be trying to offload Billy to get a striker, and i would probably still be looking at eventually putting Coleman to right back (or buying Onouha) and buying a creative midfielder.

    The potential to wangle the transfer market is there if we just work it correctly, and to bring in the players we need even on our shoe string budget. Things could improve massively i hope in the next few months :)

    COYB!

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    ad swap osman for rodwell an play osman behind the striker! on his day osman is probably r best player always gets stuck an the gem of r mid!

  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    mattyod said:

    Agreed Vellio and Denis need to prove themselves but have had very little opportunities while at Everton. What I meant with Anichebe is that he has failed to produce time and time again for us and therefore after 2 goal we should not expect too much.

    Hopefully he will start producing but as fickle as people are it will only take a couple of starts like the spurs game where he does little and they get on his back. The way we play and how the games have turned out the strikers have had better success coming off the bench.

    With regards to Rodwell he is one of our better players but IMO I would only have one of Rodwell or Felliani and personally I feel Felliani offers more as a DM. Rodwell has shown signs of offering a bit of creativity but as he is expected to become a CD his strengths are definitely defensive.

    I don't think we have ever given 4-4-2 a proper go under Moyes and when he has normally Cahill plays upfront and hes not a striker. Saha is not a single striker because he likes to drop deep and link play therefore having 2 up top would allow him to offer more. I would like to see him with a goalscorer which Denis was doing in Argentina and although hasnt done much yet keen to see if he can. Otherwise we need to spend a lot of money to get someone doing it. Dont have a major issue with a 4-5-1 but feel if we do we should look to have Osman and Gibson in the middle to offer more going forward.

    I think this season our biggest problem has been playing players out of position and selecting too many defensive players. This has meant that we do not have a threat through the middle and defending against us becomes simple, stop Baines. Donovan has offered something new and Drenthe has shown glimpses but we need a playmaker and hopefully Gibson can do that. Osman has also got it in him but needs to be central not out on the wing. If we can cut out the silly mistakes we have a strong defence so can afford to only go with one holding mid.

    With regards to your team would you consider Coleman at RB? Although he is not as strong defensively would give us a theat going forward from both full backs especially with his pace. Think he could work well with Donovan and lets be honest Baines isnt the best Defender but is always the first on the team sheet.


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    Yes mate, i would be tempted to eventually play COleman at RB b'cos he is a bit limited as RM for me, and i would hope he could have a similar influence on games as to what Baines does and i personally think Drenthe would be better on the right aswell as he looks better cutting inside for me, which would then mean we need a LM.......lol.

    Its of my opinion that we dont give 4-4-2 a go, b'cos 1) it doesnt work when we do try it and b) we are set out and have the players (espiecially in midfield) to work a 4-5-1 formation and this is what we train to do. There is no point (if we had it) going out and spending 10million on a striker cos they wouldnt (imo) get the 20 goals people think they would get cos we just dont play that way. I think we have a VERY good midfield and  VERY solid defense when fit, so we play to out strengths....its boded well for the last 4 years or so, i dont see why (when everyone is back fit) it wont bode well for the rtest of the season, we have jsut had to paly people out of position a lot of the time thisn season, and yesterday, (even missing a few still) we had players playing where they should play and looked better for it it and thats all we need.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    bluenosescouser said:

    sambo applecart said:

                                       Howard


    Neville         Jagielka                  Distin        Baines

                     
                    Rodwell                    Fellaini


    Donovan                                                   Drenthe

                              Gibson

                     Anichebe


    Whats everyone think?? Bench of anyone of, Saha, Hetinga, Osman, Billy, Coleman (who can take Donovans place when he goes) Cahill (who can play behind the striker if Gibson plays along side Felli or Rodwell) Barkley, Hibbert who can play rb instead of Neville, Duffy, Vellios.


    When everyone's fit, things dont look so bad do they really. But i'd still be trying to offload Billy to get a striker, and i would probably still be looking at eventually putting Coleman to right back (or buying Onouha) and buying a creative midfielder.

    The potential to wangle the transfer market is there if we just work it correctly, and to bring in the players we need even on our shoe string budget. Things could improve massively i hope in the next few months :)

    COYB!

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    ad swap osman for rodwell an play osman behind the striker! on his day osman is probably r best player always gets stuck an the gem of r mid!


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    I agree mate, Ozzy is the most unfashionable member of the team, BUT, for me, he is one of if not thee most technically gifted players we have, so, Ozzy behind the striker creating, then either Rodwell or Gibson alongside Felli in the middle of the park, things will come good im sure of it, we just need ot get a few goals and get confidence back. 
  • Tommo0316
    Posts: 75
    Gk howard

    Lb baines
    Rb coleman
    Cb jagielka
    Cb heitinga

    Lm drenthe
    Rm osman
    Cm rodwell
    Cm gibson
    Cm fellaini

    Cf donavan

    Subs distin
    cahill
    anichebe
    barkley
    vellios
    bilyaletdinov
    mucha
  • Tommo0316
    Posts: 75
    Id have saha instead of bily actually on subs bench
  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    sambo applecart said:

    mattyod said:

    Agreed Vellio and Denis need to prove themselves but have had very little opportunities while at Everton. What I meant with Anichebe is that he has failed to produce time and time again for us and therefore after 2 goal we should not expect too much.

    Hopefully he will start producing but as fickle as people are it will only take a couple of starts like the spurs game where he does little and they get on his back. The way we play and how the games have turned out the strikers have had better success coming off the bench.

    With regards to Rodwell he is one of our better players but IMO I would only have one of Rodwell or Felliani and personally I feel Felliani offers more as a DM. Rodwell has shown signs of offering a bit of creativity but as he is expected to become a CD his strengths are definitely defensive.

    I don't think we have ever given 4-4-2 a proper go under Moyes and when he has normally Cahill plays upfront and hes not a striker. Saha is not a single striker because he likes to drop deep and link play therefore having 2 up top would allow him to offer more. I would like to see him with a goalscorer which Denis was doing in Argentina and although hasnt done much yet keen to see if he can. Otherwise we need to spend a lot of money to get someone doing it. Dont have a major issue with a 4-5-1 but feel if we do we should look to have Osman and Gibson in the middle to offer more going forward.

    I think this season our biggest problem has been playing players out of position and selecting too many defensive players. This has meant that we do not have a threat through the middle and defending against us becomes simple, stop Baines. Donovan has offered something new and Drenthe has shown glimpses but we need a playmaker and hopefully Gibson can do that. Osman has also got it in him but needs to be central not out on the wing. If we can cut out the silly mistakes we have a strong defence so can afford to only go with one holding mid.

    With regards to your team would you consider Coleman at RB? Although he is not as strong defensively would give us a theat going forward from both full backs especially with his pace. Think he could work well with Donovan and lets be honest Baines isnt the best Defender but is always the first on the team sheet.


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    Yes mate, i would be tempted to eventually play COleman at RB b'cos he is a bit limited as RM for me, and i would hope he could have a similar influence on games as to what Baines does and i personally think Drenthe would be better on the right aswell as he looks better cutting inside for me, which would then mean we need a LM.......lol.

    Its of my opinion that we dont give 4-4-2 a go, b'cos 1) it doesnt work when we do try it and b) we are set out and have the players (espiecially in midfield) to work a 4-5-1 formation and this is what we train to do. There is no point (if we had it) going out and spending 10million on a striker cos they wouldnt (imo) get the 20 goals people think they would get cos we just dont play that way. I think we have a VERY good midfield and  VERY solid defense when fit, so we play to out strengths....its boded well for the last 4 years or so, i dont see why (when everyone is back fit) it wont bode well for the rtest of the season, we have jsut had to paly people out of position a lot of the time thisn season, and yesterday, (even missing a few still) we had players playing where they should play and looked better for it it and thats all we need.


    Agreed we looked better with yesterday's set up. I would like to see more attractive football and there were signs yesterday. Osman on for Cahill would of added more quality.

    The striker is a problem and if you look at Denis, Vellios and Anichebe they all look very similar. Strong without a good first touch. That why even out of form Saha still has the ability to drop deep and let the midfield go past him. But for this to be effective we need to dominate more of the pocession which with Gibson and Ossie we could do. Would be keen to see McAleny again as he looked more of a goal scorer.
  • bluewookie
    Posts: 137
    mattyod said:

    Feel Anichebe still needs to prove himself. If we need to go to a 4-5-1 I would play both Osman and Gibson in the middle. I would like to see Coleman at RB and given a run at it. Also start giving Barkley some game time in the middle when fit.


    mattyod said:

    Agreed Vellio and Denis need to prove themselves but have had very little opportunities while at Everton. What I meant with Anichebe is that he has failed to produce time and time again for us and therefore after 2 goal we should not expect too much.



    I honestly feel Anichebe suffers from lack of confidence. If he ever logged on here, even once, that would be enough to shatter his belief about his own ability.

    He finally gets fit, scores 2 in 3 and you're talking about dropping him? If Moyes did this he would be living up to the stereotype of being the destroyer of strikers!

    Now he's confident and fit (hopefully he's fit after trying to take himself out) he should be given a good run. He's done more in 3 games than Saha has the entire season.
  • bluewookie
    Posts: 137
    Howard
    Neville Jags Distin Baines

    Gibson Felli

    Donovan Drenthe
    Osman

    Anichebe

    I'm going to install football manager tonight and see how they perform....I'll get back to Moyes pending a successful run out.........
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    bluewookie said:

    Howard

    Neville Jags Distin Baines

    Gibson Felli

    Donovan Drenthe
    Osman

    Anichebe

    I'm going to install football manager tonight and see how they perform....I'll get back to Moyes pending a successful run out.........

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    i like the look of that mate and i agree with Anichebe, definitely got confidence issues has the lad, he needs a few games and a few goals and i think we will see a different player tbh :)
  • bluewookie
    Posts: 137
    sambo applecart said:

    bluewookie said:

    Howard

    Neville Jags Distin Baines

    Gibson Felli

    Donovan Drenthe
    Osman

    Anichebe

    I'm going to install football manager tonight and see how they perform....I'll get back to Moyes pending a successful run out.........

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    i like the look of that mate and i agree with Anichebe, definitely got confidence issues has the lad, he needs a few games and a few goals and i think we will see a different player tbh :)

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    As fans, we are far to quick to hate on players.  I know people say "well they're on 40k p/w, that's what they're paid for".  But we've got to remember that these guys are human.  If I knew everyone was slating my ability I would be devastated!  Let's get behind him.
  • Kim Jong-il
    Posts: 989
    Go and play championship manager will yers ffs yous don't pick the team

    YOU SIWWY AMELICANS
  • Kim Jong-il
    Posts: 989
    Plus wait till the Barclay's Bank sacrifice on deadline day has been made before picking your strongest/fairytale team selections
  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    bluewookie said:

    mattyod said:

    Feel Anichebe still needs to prove himself. If we need to go to a 4-5-1 I would play both Osman and Gibson in the middle. I would like to see Coleman at RB and given a run at it. Also start giving Barkley some game time in the middle when fit.


    mattyod said:

    Agreed Vellio and Denis need to prove themselves but have had very little opportunities while at Everton. What I meant with Anichebe is that he has failed to produce time and time again for us and therefore after 2 goal we should not expect too much.



    I honestly feel Anichebe suffers from lack of confidence. If he ever logged on here, even once, that would be enough to shatter his belief about his own ability.

    He finally gets fit, scores 2 in 3 and you're talking about dropping him? If Moyes did this he would be living up to the stereotype of being the destroyer of strikers!

    Now he's confident and fit (hopefully he's fit after trying to take himself out) he should be given a good run. He's done more in 3 games than Saha has the entire season.


    My point was more that he is startng to show some potential at we have been wait for from him for a while. I feel we should not now expect him to be the saviour for us. He scored 2 goals, both from the bench but inbetween had a poor game against spurs. Vellios did the exact same earlier this season and everyone called for him to start. When he did he was poor and now he seems out of favour. Also none of the strikers who have started looked good but when coming off the bench have managed to make an impact.

    I would keep Anichebe on the bench but get him on earlier and see if we can build his confidence without over expecting.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    Plus wait till the Barclay's Bank sacrifice on deadline day has been made before picking your strongest/fairytale team selections

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    BUT then i might be able to put Messi and Xavi in, good thinking ;)

    and admit it tone, as much as you are not over the moon about Gibson's signing, you are reasonably happy we have a new face added to the squad ;)
  • lorrhapimp
    Posts: 307
    There is no real point putting Donavan in the line ups as he'll be gone before some of the injuries come back..
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