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PLAYERS WAGES ARE STILL A BIG PROBLEM.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    In my opinion, players wages have been out of control for a long time, can anyone explain to me, as it doesnt make any financial sense at all, if our income is 80million a year, why we spend just under 5% if that one one player (fellaini 70k a week).

    For me, and im not a business man, i cant imagine there is many business' that shell out that sort of % of a wage on one individual. 

    I stand by what i say here, we should not, as a club, be paying any of our players more than 2 million a year. Look at Darren Gibson for example, Sunderland wanted him last summer but wouldnt give him 40k a week, so he didnt sign for them, now im pleased that was the case and i really hope more clubs start doing that in the future, becasue the days of ridiculous wages need to stop. The economy isnt booming, theres a recession, and its about time, FIFA, EUFA, THE FA and all the other footballing bodies around the world brought a stop to it and brought in some kind of wage regulating. 

    Each club should be assesed as an individual as to what their turnover is and then given an allocation each season for what they can spend on wages as a percentage of turnover.

    Imagine if we had 15 players for example on 40k (or 2million say) each a year, 5 squad players on 20k each, and some youngsters on maybe 1-3k a week, our outgoings for the season would be 35million at most? Whats that, less than half of our income and about half AGAIN of what we are spending on wages now. Thus making the club profitable again and freeing up finance for transfers.

    I've always said this, and im defending no one here, but, WE as a club, shell out far too much on wages, and we do that, to ensure we can have players of decent quality, i.e Baines, Jags, Fellaini etc. But imo, it really needs to stop, and every club needs to be governed. OGV said the football bubble is going to burst and he is right. I can envisage in 5 years time, even some of the league2 teams will be playing part time, beacsue how the game is as a whole, it just isnt economically viable in the long term to sustain the wages that are being paid out by clubs. 

    Sorry if it seems like im ranting on, but for me, it has to stop, and it has to stop soon, for the good of the game and for the future of the sport.
  • cjohno
    Posts: 5,168
    our wages are probably less than a lot of prem clubs dont see there banks constantly raping every penny that comes into the club, and players wont play for free so we have to pay the going rate. every club has a wage bill if ours are way to high than all the revenue we take in from sky and season tickets and everything else then i think we would have much better players than what we got, we got a lot of average players probably on average prem money, and a few on good money, no reason for us to be in financial meltdown.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002

    simple reason is if we never offered these wages the players would want to leave as they know they are good enough to be playing in europe season in season out.  and if these players leave we will be relegated its as simple as that


    We now have one of the smallest squads in the league aswell as any players that have been sold, there wages have simply gone on improving contracts of our current squad.



  • eire blue
    Posts: 105
    As far as i know FIFA have brought in this type of wage system. As of next season (i think) clubs wage bill cannot be more than a certain % of their turnover. It is my understanding that there will be some transitional arrangements along the lines the % permitted being filtered in rather than being made regulation straight away. This is the reason Man City spent so heavily last transfer window as their wage bill would certainly be more than the % requirement if it was made regulation straight away.

    I think Kenwright knows this as well and knows he need to get his own house in order although i would say as things stand at the minute we would be within the % requirements but as match day numbers drop resulting in less turnover this could cause problems
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,283
    sambo applecart said:

    Its about time, FIFA, EUFA, THE FA and all the other footballing bodies around the world brought a stop to it and brought in some kind of wage regulating. 


    Each club should be assesed as an individual as to what their turnover is and then given an allocation each season for what they can spend on wages as a percentage of turnover.


    I agree with everything you say except this bit.

    UEFA/FIFA should not be controlling clubs individually. A flat wage ceiling should be applied to clubs per division with say, £50,000 being the max for ALL players in the Premier League. The likes of Messie and Rooney can continue to make their extra millions advertising their razor blades or whatever.

    This is the only way to make it an even/fair game!
    By your suggestion, you might as well go the whole hog and make the goals Man Utd are attacking 10 feet higher and wider than the goals at the other end of the pitch. It's the same thing - and it's already happening and THAT also needs to stop!

    It'll never happen of course. We all know that if such a wage cap was implemented tomorrow, there'd be a new breakaway league formed by Saturday with UEFA/FIFA/The FA getting no slice of the pie. So there happy to pretend everything is as it should be!

  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    'In my opinion, players wages have been out of control for a long time'

    that is the key problem in the epl. wages have been allowed to spiral out of control ever since the russian mafia was allowed to buy chelski.

    ' its about time, FIFA, EUFA, THE FA and all the other footballing bodies around the world brought a stop to it '

     i think they are trying, with the fair play rules. but it will take the clubs to get together and work out some kind of policy.

    ' it has to stop, and it has to stop soon, for the good of the game and for the future of the sport.'

    agreed. great post.


  • Beano
    Posts: 3,283
    eire blue said:

    As far as i know FIFA have brought in this type of wage system. As of next season (i think) clubs wage bill cannot be more than a certain % of their turnover. It is my understanding that there will be some transitional arrangements along the lines the % permitted being filtered in rather than being made regulation straight away. This is the reason Man City spent so heavily last transfer window as their wage bill would certainly be more than the % requirement if it was made regulation straight away.

    I think Kenwright knows this as well and knows he need to get his own house in order although i would say as things stand at the minute we would be within the % requirements but as match day numbers drop resulting in less turnover this could cause problems



    The new financial rules comes into effect on contracts signed since Summer 2010
    But clubs are and always will find ways around it!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    tickets11 said:

    simple reason is if we never offered these wages the players would want to leave as they know they are good enough to be playing in europe season in season out.  and if these players leave we will be relegated its as simple as that


    We now have one of the smallest squads in the league aswell as any players that have been sold, there wages have simply gone on improving contracts of our current squad.




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    thats the thing though fella, there is only so many players that can play in europe cos there is only so many teams that these players can be spread around in, and as for the other issue of us getting relegated if we did this, there is always players out there, either coming through, or who would be available for less money that are just as good, thinking it would be the end of the world i dont feel would be the case. 

    For example, does anyone think Fellaini is the best DM in Europe for 70k week?? i would imagine there is probably a few out there that are as good if not better who would happily play for 40-50k a week. That would and could be said of most of the players in a lot of squads, so i dont personally think it is unfeasible to do it tbh. 

    The other thing is, people are moaning we have no money to spend, BUT, they want us to spend the most we can on wages so we at least get a decent quality of player, you cant have it both ways unless you have a rich chairman willing to throw money around..
  • DRINGO
    Posts: 655
    YOU MEAN LIKE BLACKPOOL DID LAST SEASON ? WAS IT REFRESHING TO SEE PIENAAR LEAVE COS WE WOULD PAY HIS HIGHER WAGE DEMANDS ? WE PAY WHAT IS A GOING RATE I THINK MATE ! JUST OUR TURNOVER IS LOW AND WE DONT HAVE A RICH CHAIRMAN ! 
  • Daive521
    Posts: 2,329
    I think their 'Obseen' wage is reason why a lot of players are so unmotivated at times. £20,000 - £40,000 a week, they must be laughing? Look at Balotelli against Liverpool last night...........he just didn't look interested??????
  • Ivdlit
    Posts: 2,044
    If we were a billionare club...
  • NSNO
    Posts: 3,112
    Beano said:

    <<br />The new financial rules comes into effect on contracts signed since Summer 2010
    But clubs are and always will find ways around it!



    ^^^^^^ this

    there's simple nothing FIFA can do to control players wages......the clubs with money will always find a way of attracting the best players to their clubs.......its business not a sport these days......
  • Jayee019
    Posts: 902
    Contracts need to be looked at majorly

    Example A player on 50k a week

    Player earns a standard 60% of there current wage. a Panel is elected to judge (like the papers to score players 1 - 10 style)
    if a player is a score 0-3 they get 20 % of the 25k, 3-6 30%. 7-9 40% 10 100%.
    Also standard included are other performance related.
    Goals, assists and clean sheets carry a 2500 bonous and yellow and red cards mean a fine.
    This could mean players get more than they currently get now

    So a player plays a match and get a 7 rating creating a goal would est.

    30k basic wage, 15k performance bonous with 2500 for the assist making 47500, so just under his standard contract.

    So in effect the current team ould get VERY little on there performances.
  • scannersb
    Posts: 49
    "Look at Darren Gibson for example, Sunderland wanted him last summer but wouldnt give him 40k a week, so he didnt sign for them, now im pleased that was the case and i really hope more clubs start doing that in the future, becasue the days of ridiculous wages need to stop"

    I AGREE FULLY WITH YOU MATE, BUT THE THING IS THAT WAS DARREN GIBSON, HE'S $H1Te, IF HE WAS ANY GOOD SUNDERLAND WOULD HAVE HAD NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO PAY HIM WHAT HE WANTED AS THERE WOULD UNDOUBTABLY HAVE BEEN OTHER CLUBS INTERESTED THAT WOULD DO SO. IT'S SAD HOW YOUR TEAM'S POSITION IN THE LEAGUE IS PRETTY MUCH BASED ON HOW MUCH MONEY IT HAS
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    scannersb said:

    "Look at Darren Gibson for example, Sunderland wanted him last summer but wouldnt give him 40k a week, so he didnt sign for them, now im pleased that was the case and i really hope more clubs start doing that in the future, becasue the days of ridiculous wages need to stop"

    I AGREE FULLY WITH YOU MATE, BUT THE THING IS THAT WAS DARREN GIBSON, HE'S $H1Te, IF HE WAS ANY GOOD SUNDERLAND WOULD HAVE HAD NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO PAY HIM WHAT HE WANTED AS THERE WOULD UNDOUBTABLY HAVE BEEN OTHER CLUBS INTERESTED THAT WOULD DO SO. IT'S SAD HOW YOUR TEAM'S POSITION IN THE LEAGUE IS PRETTY MUCH BASED ON HOW MUCH MONEY IT HAS


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    and for the foreseeable future too :( 
  • benlease
    Posts: 48
    Ivdlit said:

    If we were a billionare club...


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    depends which type of billionaire. it has to be a saudi oil rich billoinaire. the other ones wont spend money, look at QPR. even a/villa have lots of money (i think)!! but they wont spend cos they know it will be a waste of time. saudi types will spend,spend, spend. they have money like you never know.
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,680
    I read somewhere that Phil Neville is on £50K a week, Cahill is on £50K a week, Saha is on £60K and Anichebe is on £30K. That's £190K we waste a week on players who aren't doing anything to justify earning that much money.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    11blue said:

    I read somewhere that Phil Neville is on £50K a week, Cahill is on £50K a week, Saha is on £60K and Anichebe is on £30K. That's £190K we waste a week on players who aren't doing anything to justify earning that much money.


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    which is nearly 10million a year, as a business structure there is no wonder we are struggling 
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,680
    sambo applecart said:

    11blue said:

    I read somewhere that Phil Neville is on £50K a week, Cahill is on £50K a week, Saha is on £60K and Anichebe is on £30K. That's £190K we waste a week on players who aren't doing anything to justify earning that much money.


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    which is nearly 10million a year, as a business structure there is no wonder we are struggling 

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    And I wouldn't mind if those players were doing well for us!
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    it may take something like the basketball lockout in the usa to force thru changes.
  • True4kinblue
    Posts: 21
    We're a badly run Club lads, the financial report shows u that. Merchandising n Catering have both been outsourced as none of the Board would invest money to produce a greater return.

    Also, take FF as an example. It's rented at £1.25m per annum. We bought the land for £500k and sold it to the developers for £2m who then spend £8m on building and creating what we needed on the land.

    We moved to FF in 2007 but have been paying for it for roughly 5years now or in monetary terms we've paid £6.25m back of the £8m originally needed to invest. Finch Farm is now u for sale for £15m+VAT!!

    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/69456072#doc

    Strangely enough, Wikipedia on FF actually quotes 'Other Operating Costs' went up by £8m per year but how? The £1.25m covers rent and maintenance and whilst you may be able to justify a one-off £8m increase for equipment etc, can u really justify a 27 fold increase on the cost of both The Academy and Bellefield by putting them both on one site?

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finch_Farm

    This is what constitutes the missing £8m each year or in real terms £40m of non-justifiable 'other costs' - which is most of the debt secured against the stadium.

    If you really want to see how bad our financial plight is then you can read articles from Swiss Ramble and The Blue Union (pdf at the bottom that uses EFC Official accounts) by clicking the links below:

    http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2011/09/everton-no-blue-skies.html?m=1

    http://peoplesgroup.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/the-blue-union-newsletter-01/

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