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Posts: 194December 2011 Our selection and formation seems to be really winding people up of late, so how do peeps think we should set up? me personally, when everyones fit (not including donovan) id go for...
...............................................Howard
coleman....................jags........................distain......................baines
drenthe....................rodwell......................felli...........................gueye
..............................straq.........................saha
id have colman bombing down the line like baines does, esp with drenthe cutting in. id have felli holding with rodders going forward and even tho saha does my head in, with straq as the big man doing all the running, saha could be played as the poacher and stay up top. i really think gueye is gonna be great so id chuck him straight in
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Posts: 1,841December 2011I think its impossible to name a team..We don't know how they train and it depends on who we are playing...But we should be attacking at home at all times..I dont think the Straq is good enough for the premiership or he would have played more games, it was a gamble, moyes has admitted this... Drenthe should be our luxury every game, every team needs a player of his ability....
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Posts: 125December 2011 id have ossie instead of straq, id be happy with the rest, i dont rate coleman as a winger but id be interested to see how he goes at right back
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Posts: 20,147December 2011 i just wonder if felli and jack are too similar and that we might benefit from selling jack and using the money to bring in some creativity... dont get me wrong, i'd love us to keep jack but... needs must and all that...
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Posts: 194December 2011kingmoyes said:I think its impossible to name a team..We don't know how they train and it depends on who we are playing...But we should be attacking at home at all times..I dont think the Straq is good enough for the premiership or he would have played more games, it was a gamble, moyes has admitted this... Drenthe should be our luxury every game, every team needs a player of his ability....
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as its all hypothetical, assume everyone is doing well in training etc and this was your first choice starting 11. i have to dissagree on straq, i think saha needs a partner like him so he can do his job....score goals. atm, saha has to be a target man, play on the last defender, get back, score goals, chase down balls, hold up, create.....from the limited time we have seen straq, i think hes shown some glimpses that he could be a great foil for saha, work rate, commitment, strength etc. i think it could be a great big man small man duo
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Posts: 194December 2011OldGoldenVision said:
i just wonder if felli and jack are too similar and that we might benefit from selling jack and using the money to bring in some creativity... dont get me wrong, i'd love us to keep jack but... needs must and all that...
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id love to keep rodders too but if he did go, id put barkley straight in
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Posts: 1,841December 2011briceybaby said:kingmoyes said:I think its impossible to name a team..We don't know how they train and it depends on who we are playing...But we should be attacking at home at all times..I dont think the Straq is good enough for the premiership or he would have played more games, it was a gamble, moyes has admitted this... Drenthe should be our luxury every game, every team needs a player of his ability....
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as its all hypothetical, assume everyone is doing well in training etc and this was your first choice starting 11. i have to dissagree on straq, i think saha needs a partner like him so he can do his job....score goals. atm, saha has to be a target man, play on the last defender, get back, score goals, chase down balls, hold up, create.....from the limited time we have seen straq, i think hes shown some glimpses that he could be a great foil for saha, work rate, commitment, strength etc. i think it could be a great big man small man duo
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He has had max 15mins when teams are tired!
I just think moyes would have started him by now if he was capable
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Posts: 452December 20111ceablue said:
In a winning fashion.....
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This^
Seriously though I think the defence sorts itself out overall, largely because we don't have the personel to change them about too much. In midfield when everyone is fit I'd like to see Drenthe, Rodwell, Fellaini, Coleman as the midfield when we play as a 4 man and fit Ossie in there if we do 5 for certain games.
Which leaves upfront which has been a problem for not just this year but the last couple of seasons really. We need to find a pair that actually work well together. I personally think Saha should definatly be one of those pair still but who can work well with him remains to be seen as we haven't had much of a look at the other strikers. With Gueye's recent run in the team he looks a good option to try, they at least have that french connection between them.
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Posts: 309December 2011 Amazes me that people think coleman should be put into right back instead of hibbo, coleman is a liabitlity anyway as he is never mind doing hibbos defensive work
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Posts: 4,765December 2011 Play 4 4 2 at home and have a good go at teams, 4 5 1 away to a top 6 team is okay, as long as we don't sit back for 90 minutes as that never seems to work.
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Posts: 1,794December 201111blue said:
Play 4 4 2 at home and have a good go at teams, 4 5 1 away to a top 6 team is okay, as long as we don't sit back for 90 minutes as that never seems to work.
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442? Is this as far as we've developed? Barca and Real don't play that, nor pretty much any other country in the world? We had (I haven't seen that much of us this year sadly) a fluid attack from various points of the field, though usually wide, we can change the angle, keep possession outside the box. What we lack is the insight to move the team around enough to work an opening and the clinical finishing. 2 strikers who miss is probably worse than one who misses, we just need one who can score and a player with the vision to open a team up.
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Posts: 4,765December 2011MavisCruet said:11blue said:
Play 4 4 2 at home and have a good go at teams, 4 5 1 away to a top 6 team is okay, as long as we don't sit back for 90 minutes as that never seems to work.
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442? Is this as far as we've developed? Barca and Real don't play that, nor pretty much any other country in the world? We had (I haven't seen that much of us this year sadly) a fluid attack from various points of the field, though usually wide, we can change the angle, keep possession outside the box. What we lack is the insight to move the team around enough to work an opening and the clinical finishing. 2 strikers who miss is probably worse than one who misses, we just need one who can score and a player with the vision to open a team up.
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If one striker can't score up front on his own, you put another striker up there with him. Its common sense in my opinion, if one striker can't score play two strikers! -
Posts: 1,794December 201111blue said:MavisCruet said:11blue said:
Play 4 4 2 at home and have a good go at teams, 4 5 1 away to a top 6 team is okay, as long as we don't sit back for 90 minutes as that never seems to work.
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442? Is this as far as we've developed? Barca and Real don't play that, nor pretty much any other country in the world? We had (I haven't seen that much of us this year sadly) a fluid attack from various points of the field, though usually wide, we can change the angle, keep possession outside the box. What we lack is the insight to move the team around enough to work an opening and the clinical finishing. 2 strikers who miss is probably worse than one who misses, we just need one who can score and a player with the vision to open a team up.
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If one striker can't score up front on his own, you put another striker up there with him. Its common sense in my opinion, if one striker can't score play two strikers!-----------------
If one striker is getting no chances, despite making all the right runs (running Louis,remember it), then maybe. If the striker is missing chances but getting them, or not making the runs, replace the striker. 2 up top means less in midfield, so less chances created, and we're not overly abundant in that department. I wouldn't mind seeing a 433 with the wide men driving in, probably Drenthe and... well Donovan for a bit, that will give us direct prongs of attack rather than the slightly fluid mass we have now.I still think we need to create rather than anything else, and that's either dependant on the midfield opening a team up, or on Jags punting it to Velios. I really don't want the latter!
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Posts: 1,794December 2011 To add to myself there, I think a lot of what we don't do, especially after Arteta's injury is beat a man. We stand off and pass and try not to lose it. If say Ossie beats his opposite number then we have space, in front of him,or if someone comes to cover, then where they were. We tend to either not try to beat one, or if we do it's head down try to beat three and lose it. I am not sure if it's lack of confidence in close control or whether Moyes has instilled a fear of losing the ball that is suppressing creativity, but my opinion, and it's not an expert one, is that's where we fall down in attack.
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Posts: 4,765December 2011 In my opinion, the reason why we don't create anything is because there is absolutely no movement what so ever up front. Our midfield players get the ball and they look up and see no movement, or maybe we don't get enough players in the box when we get a cross in. Saha comes towards the ball and he never makes a run in behind a defender which is why he doesn't have a lot of chances in a game, and the funny thing is that he moans that he doesn't get any service from the midfield. I think that Saha is a lot more involved in games when he has someone up there with him. Last season he never scored until January and that was because Beckford was up there with him, and Saha even said himself that he doesn't like playing up front on his own.
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Posts: 1,794December 2011
I think that's the issue, and possibly the same one we both have. It's the personnel not the play. If Saha were Drogba we'd be just peachy.
I wonder if he'd mind playing as a wing forward, an old inside right? He can still do a service, but not up top on his tod.
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Posts: 4,765December 2011MavisCruet said:
I think that's the issue, and possibly the same one we both have. It's the personnel not the play. If Saha were Drogba we'd be just peachy.
I wonder if he'd mind playing as a wing forward, an old inside right? He can still do a service, but not up top on his tod.
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Posts: 1,794December 2011
That's a bl00dy plan then! My best friend is always half an hour late. We always tell him to arrive half an hour before us. Everyone's happy.
Tell Saha to play left mid, he stays in the box, Drenthe and baines whip them in, we score!
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