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Posts: 199August 2011 If we could find 100,000 fans (the usual target on FB) who would be prepared to invest just £1 per week into a player trust fund, we would get £5.2m per annum (plus interest of about 6p).
Of course, there are millions of Everton fans out there, but just 1m fans donating this way would give the team £52m per year to spend on players.
Easy.
I suggested this to The Liberation Group of Jordan a few weeks ago, no reply to date (probably typing up a reply). -
Posts: 3,253August 2011 Put me down for £10,000.......but I don't want it wasted giving it to Anichebe to cover just two days wages, and therein lies the problem............
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Posts: 199August 20111ceablue said:
Put me down for £10,000.......but I don't want it wasted giving it to Anichebe to cover just two days wages, and therein lies the problem............
Sorry, but that's typical attitude of Evertonians
Want investment, as long as it doesn't come out of their own pocket. We get what we deserve imho.
Bill mortgaged his house, we can't find the cost of two pints per month. -
Posts: 174August 2011 Thats £52 per year for 60,000 fans who, potentially, wouldnt even watch the team once at Goodison Park throughout the season. Also about 26,000 fans who would, in effect, be adding £52 per year onto their season ticket prices.
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Posts: 199August 2011Antoefc said:
Thats £52 per year for 60,000 fans who, potentially, wouldnt even watch the team once at Goodison Park throughout the season. Also about 26,000 fans who would, in effect, be adding £52 per year onto their season ticket prices.
OK LETS DO NOTHING AND GO BANCRUPT, THANKS FOR YOUR POSITIVE ATTITUDE
HOW THE FORK CAN PEOPLE CRITICISE THE BOARD FOR NOT INVESTING IF THE SO CALLED FANS WHO CLAIM TO LOVE THE CLUB WONT COUGH UP THE PRICE OF A PIONT OF MILK PER WEEK? -
Posts: 3,253August 2011gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:
Put me down for £10,000.......but I don't want it wasted giving it to Anichebe to cover just two days wages, and therein lies the problem............
Sorry, but that's typical attitude of Evertonians
Want investment, as long as it doesn't come out of their own pocket. We get what we deserve imho.
Bill mortgaged his house, we can't find the cost of two pints per month.
I actually think that that is true in part, but only in part. There are many blues fans who would be willing to put money Into the club if there was a proper route to do so. A new share issue would be taken up by many fans as a way of giving the club money.
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Posts: 199August 20111ceablue said:gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:
Put me down for £10,000.......but I don't want it wasted giving it to Anichebe to cover just two days wages, and therein lies the problem............
Sorry, but that's typical attitude of Evertonians
Want investment, as long as it doesn't come out of their own pocket. We get what we deserve imho.
Bill mortgaged his house, we can't find the cost of two pints per month.
I actually think that that is true in part, but only in part. There are many blues fans who would be willing to put money Into the club if there was a proper route to do so. A new share issue would be taken up by many fans as a way of giving the club money.
That doesn't work in anything other than the very short terms, as after year one we are still left with the fact that our outgoings are much more than our incoming. Share issue also involved cost and dilutes value to existing shareholders.
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Posts: 174August 2011 Hang on... I would happily put that money into the club, I would, and have, put a lot more than that. over 11 years worth of season tickets and away games and 20 odd years of merchandise.
Also, I have never critised the board for not investing.
If you are serious about doing it then set it up. Go for it. -
Posts: 199August 2011Antoefc said:
Hang on... I would happily put that money into the club, I would, and have, put a lot more than that. over 11 years worth of season tickets and away games and 20 odd years of merchandise.
Also, I have never critised the board for not investing.
If you are serious about doing it then set it up. Go for it.
if we keep doing what we've always been doing nothing changes.
if fans go on demo marches and hand out flyers, nothing changes
if the fans organise themselves and put just a small amount extra into the club -£1 per week - as there should be enough of us - it would make a difference. -
Posts: 174August 2011gwladysstreet said:Antoefc said:
Hang on... I would happily put that money into the club, I would, and have, put a lot more than that. over 11 years worth of season tickets and away games and 20 odd years of merchandise.
Also, I have never critised the board for not investing.
If you are serious about doing it then set it up. Go for it.
if we keep doing what we've always been doing nothing changes.
if fans go on demo marches and hand out flyers, nothing changes
if the fans organise themselves and put just a small amount extra into the club -£1 per week - as there should be enough of us - it would make a difference.
Do it then. Set it up. if the fans talk about organisng themselves nothing changes.
How would you advertise this new investment model?
Who would set up the investment stream i.e. an account?
Who would manage the transfers of money into an account?
Who would be ready to show/explain the accounts when the fans (who have paid extra) want to know what the money was used on?
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Posts: 199August 2011Antoefc said:gwladysstreet said:Antoefc said:
Hang on... I would happily put that money into the club, I would, and have, put a lot more than that. over 11 years worth of season tickets and away games and 20 odd years of merchandise.
Also, I have never critised the board for not investing.
If you are serious about doing it then set it up. Go for it.
if we keep doing what we've always been doing nothing changes.
if fans go on demo marches and hand out flyers, nothing changes
if the fans organise themselves and put just a small amount extra into the club -£1 per week - as there should be enough of us - it would make a difference.
Do it then. Set it up. if the fans talk about organisng themselves nothing changes.
How would you advertise this new investment model?
Who would set up the investment stream i.e. an account?
Who would manage the transfers of money into an account?
Who would be ready to show/explain the accounts when the fans (who have paid extra) want to know what the money was used on?
we could advertise on social media sites, there are enough of them
we'd need a panel of trusted people - maybe include the club - Sharpy and other former players, fans. They would "pay" the money over once the club demonstrate that it has been spent.
we'd raise what we can for player acquisition - say to the club - this is how much we have for this season, how will DM spend it, give him all or however much is actually used, balance kept for next window or deal.
We could have a really simple page updating where things are up to - monthly balance etc - on facebook. -
Posts: 3,253August 2011gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:
Put me down for £10,000.......but I don't want it wasted giving it to Anichebe to cover just two days wages, and therein lies the problem............
Sorry, but that's typical attitude of Evertonians
Want investment, as long as it doesn't come out of their own pocket. We get what we deserve imho.
Bill mortgaged his house, we can't find the cost of two pints per month.
I actually think that that is true in part, but only in part. There are many blues fans who would be willing to put money Into the club if there was a proper route to do so. A new share issue would be taken up by many fans as a way of giving the club money.
That doesn't work in anything other than the very short terms, as after year one we are still left with the fact that our outgoings are much more than our incoming. Share issue also involved cost and dilutes value to existing shareholders.
An injection of capital could be used to clear the debts, which would give us £4-5M a year extra not having to service them. Diluting existing shareholder value is somewhat irrelevant as the value of the club has already been reduced due to the debt which has to be taken into any valuation calculation.
We know that costs are not going to reduce if we wish to remain competitive, therefore the commercial side of the business has to be strengthened and prices will have to rise amongst other options. Seeking a billionaire is a pipe dream. Fans have to get real, we get what we pay for........ -
Posts: 174August 2011 Who wil set up the adverts?
Who will choose the panel? and organise the panel? and liaise with the club?
Who would set up the balance page on facebook?
What would happen if 10% of the fans didnt agree with how the money was being spent, and decided to pull out (and demand a refund), would the rest of the fans take up the slack or would the ongoing balance reduce?
Who would be the administrator for this? -
Posts: 199August 2011Antoefc said:
Who wil set up the adverts?
Who will choose the panel? and organise the panel? and liaise with the club?
Who would set up the balance page on facebook?
What would happen if 10% of the fans didnt agree with how the money was being spent, and decided to pull out (and demand a refund), would the rest of the fans take up the slack or would the ongoing balance reduce?
Who would be the administrator for this?
fans would market it to themselves via social networks, forums like this (and others), the club website could probably give us some mentions.
the decision on how the money would be spent would be down to the manager, that's his job. If fans don't like it then they can walk away, but no refunds.
Manager gets offered whatever is in teh pot.
It matters little who is on the panel, as payments would only be made to the club when they can demonstrate how they are spending the money, it would be a trust account, requiring signaturies to avoid fraud.
I'm fairly sure facebook pages are faqirly easy to set up - judging bythe dopes who have done so already -
Posts: 199August 20111ceablue said:gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:
Put me down for £10,000.......but I don't want it wasted giving it to Anichebe to cover just two days wages, and therein lies the problem............
Sorry, but that's typical attitude of Evertonians
Want investment, as long as it doesn't come out of their own pocket. We get what we deserve imho.
Bill mortgaged his house, we can't find the cost of two pints per month.
I actually think that that is true in part, but only in part. There are many blues fans who would be willing to put money Into the club if there was a proper route to do so. A new share issue would be taken up by many fans as a way of giving the club money.
That doesn't work in anything other than the very short terms, as after year one we are still left with the fact that our outgoings are much more than our incoming. Share issue also involved cost and dilutes value to existing shareholders.
An injection of capital could be used to clear the debts, which would give us £4-5M a year extra not having to service them. Diluting existing shareholder value is somewhat irrelevant as the value of the club has already been reduced due to the debt which has to be taken into any valuation calculation.
We know that costs are not going to reduce if we wish to remain competitive, therefore the commercial side of the business has to be strengthened and prices will have to rise amongst other options. Seeking a billionaire is a pipe dream. Fans have to get real, we get what we pay for........
doubt the club ciould raise sufficient funds to clear the debts by a rights offer. what would it be £60m? Current share value is £2k ish, if second clas shares were offered at - say - £200 - we'd need 300,000 fans - likely? -
Posts: 174August 2011gwladysstreet said:Antoefc said:
Who wil set up the adverts?
Who will choose the panel? and organise the panel? and liaise with the club?
Who would set up the balance page on facebook?
What would happen if 10% of the fans didnt agree with how the money was being spent, and decided to pull out (and demand a refund), would the rest of the fans take up the slack or would the ongoing balance reduce?
Who would be the administrator for this?
fans would market it to themselves via social networks, forums like this (and others), the club website could probably give us some mentions.
the decision on how the money would be spent would be down to the manager, that's his job. If fans don't like it then they can walk away, but no refunds.
Manager gets offered whatever is in teh pot.
It matters little who is on the panel, as payments would only be made to the club when they can demonstrate how they are spending the money, it would be a trust account, requiring signaturies to avoid fraud.
I'm fairly sure facebook pages are faqirly easy to set up - judging bythe dopes who have done so already
If you think it's do-able then go for it. Set it up.
Let me know when the account is in place. -
Posts: 199August 2011Antoefc said:gwladysstreet said:Antoefc said:
Who wil set up the adverts?
Who will choose the panel? and organise the panel? and liaise with the club?
Who would set up the balance page on facebook?
What would happen if 10% of the fans didnt agree with how the money was being spent, and decided to pull out (and demand a refund), would the rest of the fans take up the slack or would the ongoing balance reduce?
Who would be the administrator for this?
fans would market it to themselves via social networks, forums like this (and others), the club website could probably give us some mentions.
the decision on how the money would be spent would be down to the manager, that's his job. If fans don't like it then they can walk away, but no refunds.
Manager gets offered whatever is in teh pot.
It matters little who is on the panel, as payments would only be made to the club when they can demonstrate how they are spending the money, it would be a trust account, requiring signaturies to avoid fraud.
I'm fairly sure facebook pages are faqirly easy to set up - judging bythe dopes who have done so already
If you think it's do-able then go for it. Set it up.
Let me know when the account is in place.
would you pay £5 per month? -
Posts: 3,253August 2011gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:gwladysstreet said:1ceablue said:
Put me down for £10,000.......but I don't want it wasted giving it to Anichebe to cover just two days wages, and therein lies the problem............
Sorry, but that's typical attitude of Evertonians
Want investment, as long as it doesn't come out of their own pocket. We get what we deserve imho.
Bill mortgaged his house, we can't find the cost of two pints per month.
I actually think that that is true in part, but only in part. There are many blues fans who would be willing to put money Into the club if there was a proper route to do so. A new share issue would be taken up by many fans as a way of giving the club money.
That doesn't work in anything other than the very short terms, as after year one we are still left with the fact that our outgoings are much more than our incoming. Share issue also involved cost and dilutes value to existing shareholders.
An injection of capital could be used to clear the debts, which would give us £4-5M a year extra not having to service them. Diluting existing shareholder value is somewhat irrelevant as the value of the club has already been reduced due to the debt which has to be taken into any valuation calculation.
We know that costs are not going to reduce if we wish to remain competitive, therefore the commercial side of the business has to be strengthened and prices will have to rise amongst other options. Seeking a billionaire is a pipe dream. Fans have to get real, we get what we pay for........
doubt the club ciould raise sufficient funds to clear the debts by a rights offer. what would it be £60m? Current share value is £2k ish, if second clas shares were offered at - say - £200 - we'd need 300,000 fans - likely?
The additional shares should be aimed at selling between 30- 50,000 new shares at current price specifically aimed at clearing the debt. They would have equal value and voting rights as existing shares as they have effectively bought the debt. They would be snapped up.
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