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Barkley frustrated with lack of first team football
  • xreyuk123
    Posts: 785
    BBC saying (on their gossip page) that Barkley has said the above in the echo. Can't blame the lad really, but might be why he's back in the U18s (if that's true)
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,669
    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.
  • mrbluechief
    Posts: 133
    Funny how he is going to sign his new contract & praising everton & moyes for giving youngsters a chance in other media outlets , when has bbc ever liked everton
  • MavisCruet
    Posts: 1,794
    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


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    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!




  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,145
    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


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    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





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    Absolutely completely agree.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002

    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


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    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





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    the only way he will learn is by playing.  rooney gerrard lampard were all raw at 18, the way they learnt was by playing and handling expectation.


    barkley is our most creative midfielder by far, the football we are playing at the moment is shocking we are lucky to have the points we have. he needs to play

    Look what happened to rodwell last 3 seasons moyes halted his progress by continuing to out him on the bench.  moyes even did the same to rooney at times.

  • Beano
    Posts: 3,250
    tickets11 said:


    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


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    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





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    the only way he will learn is by playing.  rooney gerrard lampard were all raw at 18, the way they learnt was by playing and handling expectation.


    barkley is our most creative midfielder by far, the football we are playing at the moment is shocking we are lucky to have the points we have. he needs to play

    Look what happened to rodwell last 3 seasons moyes halted his progress by continuing to out him on the bench.  moyes even did the same to rooney at times.



    Gerrard and Lampard played very little before they were 19 and in Gerrard's case, not at all when aged 17 and in Lampards case, one sub appearance in the PL at that age!
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,669
    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


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    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





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    I am not sure what you have said is true! Rooney was always in and out the team, and Rodwell had to wait for a while before he got an extended run in the team. Gueye and Vellios are yet to be given a decent run in the team despite them showing a great deal of promise. Sometimes as a manager, you have to have faith and confidence in these young players, especially if they are impressing when they are playing. And the only way that these players will gain experience is by playing. They aren't going to get any experience of playing by sitting on the bench are they?
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,145
    11blue said:

    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


    -----------------

    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





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    I am not sure what you have said is true! Rooney was always in and out the team, and Rodwell had to wait for a while before he got an extended run in the team. Gueye and Vellios are yet to be given a decent run in the team despite them showing a great deal of promise. Sometimes as a manager, you have to have faith and confidence in these young players, especially if they are impressing when they are playing. And the only way that these players will gain experience is by playing. They aren't going to get any experience of playing by sitting on the bench are they?

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    plenty of experience scratting their bollox imo though.......
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,669
    sambo applecart said:

    11blue said:

    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


    -----------------

    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





    -----------------



    I am not sure what you have said is true! Rooney was always in and out the team, and Rodwell had to wait for a while before he got an extended run in the team. Gueye and Vellios are yet to be given a decent run in the team despite them showing a great deal of promise. Sometimes as a manager, you have to have faith and confidence in these young players, especially if they are impressing when they are playing. And the only way that these players will gain experience is by playing. They aren't going to get any experience of playing by sitting on the bench are they?

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    plenty of experience scratting their bollox imo though.......

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    They can scratch their bollox in their own time  :-q
  • xreyuk123
    Posts: 785
    Completely agree. How the **** is lad the supposed to learn how good is opponents are, without playing against them. We're never going to be in a position this season were we're 3-0 up in a game and can afford to bring people on, we haven't got enough goals in us.

    So he needs to play more games now.
  • MavisCruet
    Posts: 1,794
    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:


    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


    -----------------

    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





    -----------------



    the only way he will learn is by playing.  rooney gerrard lampard were all raw at 18, the way they learnt was by playing and handling expectation.


    barkley is our most creative midfielder by far, the football we are playing at the moment is shocking we are lucky to have the points we have. he needs to play

    Look what happened to rodwell last 3 seasons moyes halted his progress by continuing to out him on the bench.  moyes even did the same to rooney at times.



    Gerrard and Lampard played very little before they were 19 and in Gerrard's case, not at all when aged 17 and in Lampards case, one sub appearance in the PL at that age!

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    Steven Gerrard had the talent to be one of this country's greatest ever midfielders.  Through indiscipline he squandered that chance as the team looked to him to carry them and he hadn't matured into a rounded player.  As a result for both club and country he plays a 'free role', or more often stuck where he can do the least tactical damage.

    Hargreaves would never have got near the squad (and I really rated him, still do if he can get fit) if Gerrard had learned to read the game.  He simply can't walk, just run and as a consequence falls over (metaphorically and in a diving cheat way) a lot.  People remember the glory moments, but he can be a total liability.

    Rodwell was put in DM in one of his earlier games, and his positioning was catastrophic.  He now reads the game much better.  Compare him to Carsley, a more limited player, but so astoundingly effective, he knew where the play was going, the flow, the patterns and shapes.  You don't learn that flying by the seat of your pants.  Barkley can I think be superb, but needs to learn.

    </gerrardrant>

  • xreyuk123
    Posts: 785
    ^ Perfect post.
  • MavisCruet
    Posts: 1,794
    xreyuk123 said:

    ^ Perfect post.


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    Ta La




  • mattyod
    Posts: 305


    MavisCruet said:

    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:


    MavisCruet said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes doesn't like young players, maybe because they make him look old.


    -----------------

    I am not sure that's true.  Rodwell, Rooney have come through, he bought Fellaini, McFadden, Velios, Guaye when young.  None of the youth players have gone on to do especially well, Shrek aside, and I still think he's fairly shot.   So I think we haven't had that many youth players deserving of a place, and the younger ones need to rest and develop. 

    Barkley has looked really good at times, but he plays like a teenager, he is impetuous, indisciplined tactically and hasn't got used to how good his opponents are, I think he's used to dominating.  He needs to learn!





    -----------------



    the only way he will learn is by playing.  rooney gerrard lampard were all raw at 18, the way they learnt was by playing and handling expectation.


    barkley is our most creative midfielder by far, the football we are playing at the moment is shocking we are lucky to have the points we have. he needs to play

    Look what happened to rodwell last 3 seasons moyes halted his progress by continuing to out him on the bench.  moyes even did the same to rooney at times.



    Gerrard and Lampard played very little before they were 19 and in Gerrard's case, not at all when aged 17 and in Lampards case, one sub appearance in the PL at that age!

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    Steven Gerrard had the talent to be one of this country's greatest ever midfielders.  Through indiscipline he squandered that chance as the team looked to him to carry them and he hadn't matured into a rounded player.  As a result for both club and country he plays a 'free role', or more often stuck where he can do the least tactical damage.

    Hargreaves would never have got near the squad (and I really rated him, still do if he can get fit) if Gerrard had learned to read the game.  He simply can't walk, just run and as a consequence falls over (metaphorically and in a diving cheat way) a lot.  People remember the glory moments, but he can be a total liability.

    Rodwell was put in DM in one of his earlier games, and his positioning was catastrophic.  He now reads the game much better.  Compare him to Carsley, a more limited player, but so astoundingly effective, he knew where the play was going, the flow, the patterns and shapes.  You don't learn that flying by the seat of your pants.  Barkley can I think be superb, but needs to learn.

    </gerrardrant>


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    Great post and agree with everything said. Do feel though to help his growth he needs exposure to PL football and more than he has got recently. The fans have however, got to except he will have quiet games but the game time will help him develop like it has help Rodwell. Also this game time will help him avoid the problems you outlined with Gerrard. If we wait until next seasno or until he is 19 the fans will have bigger expectations and the pressure to perform might damage his career.
  • 1ceablue
    Posts: 3,253
    If they are good enough they are old enough. Get him on the pitch.
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