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Posts: 174August 2011Jayee019 said:
My first question would have been.
Are you open to a fans takeover?
Second question if so How much?
I dont think that would work. On this forum alone we cant ALL agree on certain aspects on the club so depending how many fans would be involved, it might end up in tears!! -
Posts: 902August 2011 i am not saying the fans run the club but could elect a leader to run th club. Wimbledon style.
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Posts: 174August 2011 ... and then the leader does amazing for 10 years, but then the fans want the club to go to the next level and want an owner with a shed full of cash.
By the looks of things we need to sell a couple of players and pay off a chunk of debt. That will bring the interest down, thus reducing the ongoing costs, or we carry on paying the same amount and pay the whole thing off quicker. Didnt Bill say the debt is down to about 25mil? We could probably get that for Jagielka (transfer fee + players wages). So we pay the debt off, spend a season with Heitinga and Distin at the back, and move on from there? -
Posts: 381August 2011ToffeeCup said:
At the end of the day Bill is a showman and times are tough. The club has been borrowing money and selling players to fund buying players.
Banks won't be looking to lend money to Everton. On that point we can all agree I'm sure. We also (aside from the Pienaar money which has gone to the bank) haven't sold anyone of note(to be honest the money from Vaughan alone is not going to buy a player that will improve our squad so we'll have to wait to see if that shows up by the end of the window) so its not surprising we haven't bought anyone as yet.
That said, selling Vaughan, Yobo and Yakubu and taking into consideration their combined wages should provide enough to get a player or two in.
But the thing for me that is really telling from this meeting it this statement here:
"The chairman is explaining he doesn’t claim the interest payable on an £11m loan yet
the CEO has said not one of the directors has invested a single penny... who are we meant to believe?"
That isn't from the meeting, its from the Blue Union's 'summary and conclusions' piece that they released afterwards. Which is to say that they held the meeting, then went away and thought about it and put their main points down, researched them to make sure they had everything right before putting their final thoughts on the subject into the public domain.
A loan, interest free, is not investment. If the loan was attracting interest but Bill Kenwright was offering that interest back to the club and expecting nothing back in return other than the increase in the value of the asset he has shares in, i.e the club, then that could be classed as investment.
But its not, its an interest free loan which he expects to get back. Probably on the sale of the club, and if he doesn't get it back, he'll put it down as a loss in his combined business accounts which will be offset against the earnings of other parts of his business. Essentially, Bill will not lose that 10 million. But he has not invested ten million into the club either.
The sheer fact that these three guys who met with Kenwright are unable to grasp that fact even after having considerable time to get their heads around it and double check everything they were going to say pretty much sums up the situation.
Everton are getting so much stick from their fans over this seasons transfer window that Bill is even having to resort to sitting down with complete muppets such as these three. And that is pretty much all that can be accurately deduced from it.
Edit: Its even worse than that really, is the fact that these guys have made such an issue out of Kenwright and the board thinking that the fans can't understand the accounts... while making it crystal clear that they don't understand the really basic financial terminology. Such as 'investment' or 'interest free loan'.
Its just hugely embarrassing to be honest.
Just a little addendum These so called Evertonians ,do they realise what the price is for their letting lose this tape ?They have put the club in a really good position now when it tries to buy or sell -everyone now knows we are penniless and that will help us in negotiating ,just imagine if Davey does decide to go -who would the muppets like to suggest will be running to the door to sign on the dotted to replace him? nevertheless it is only for my good writing this because they probably gave up at the word addendum
If one of them has braved it thanks for your efforts - MUPPET
Time will tell the damage you have done
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Posts: 174August 2011 Blue1948 - I agree. I said I while ago that the fans will end up destroying this club, not the board or the chairman.
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Posts: 530August 2011blue1948 said:
Just a little addendum These so called Evertonians ,do they realise what the price is for their letting lose this tape ?They have put the club in a really good position now when it tries to buy or sell -everyone now knows we are penniless and that will help us in negotiating ,just imagine if Davey does decide to go -who would the muppets like to suggest will be running to the door to sign on the dotted to replace him? nevertheless it is only for my good writing this because they probably gave up at the word addendum
If one of them has braved it thanks for your efforts - MUPPET
Time will tell the damage you have done
And it also leaves the press to read between the lines and come up with rubbish like this...
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-must-sell-jagielka-bank-tells-club-2340128.html -
Posts: 3,455August 2011Michael Barrymore said:Beano said:Michael Barrymore said:
See beano the money for transfers doesn't get reinvested back into the team
Don't try change the context of what I said
Your exact words were "McFadden, Davies even Andy Johnsons fee went on debt"
I pointed out that's not true!
Which it isn't!
All their fees went on repaying debt he'd borrowed on the sky money payments just like the pienaar and JV fees
Stop wriggling like the little know nothing blagger worm you are
Jeez you're a dope. What you're saying is, for example, when we got £11 Million for AJ, we payed this money to the bank - and then 2 weeks later we borrowed another £15 Million from the bank to pay for Fellaini, even though we already had £11 Million of this money from the sale of AJ only a couple of week earlier? Why the **** would we borrow the £11 Million for Fellaini in the first place?
I said I wouldn't complile this list AGAIN but you've irratated me enough to make me do it.
Here's a list of all the in's and ou'ts for fees recieved/spent since Moyes became manager
We have spent £117.3 Million and recieved £96 Million.
This doesn't include loan fees, signing on fees or agent fees or FIFA training compensation. I also haven't included money paid for the likes of Saha and Nash coz we haven't got a clue how much it was - so the number is a good bit more than £117.3 Million considering it was reported recently that we spent £3.6 Million on agent fees in 2010 even though we didn't spend anything significant on transfer fees.
And don't start your **** either about these being propaganda figures from the club becuase the vast majority of these are taken from independent sources and the one's which aren't are the same figures as those independently reported and are figures which the other club involved in the transfer had no negative response on.
IN
Vellios 0.2
Gueye 0.9
Silva 0.05
Coleman 0.06
Heitinga 6.5
Distin 5
Bily 9.5
Fellaini 15
Pienaar 2.05
Gosling 1.25
yakubu 11.25
Baines 6
Jagielka 4
Jutkiewicz 1
Howard 3
Lescott 5
Johnson 8.6
Spencer 0.22
Van der Mayde 2
Valente 1.5
Neville 3.5
Arteta 2
Kroldrup 5
Davies 3.5
Ruddy 0.25
Beattie 6
Cahill 1.5
Bent 0.45
Martyn 0.5
McFadden 1.25
Kilbane 1
Wright 3.5
Rodrigo 1.25
Yobo 4.5
TOTAL £117.5 Million
Again, doesn't include loan fees recieved.
Out
Vaughan 2.5 (I believe we've only recieved 1 Million up front - but lets count the max value)
Pienaar 3
Jutkiewicz 0.25
Ruddy 0.15
Lescott 24 (some report it to be 22 Million, but again lets take the max)
Johnson 11
de Silva 0.05
Neil 0.75
Mcfadden 5.5
Beattie 4.25
Naysmith 1
Hughes (defender) 0.25
Davies 2.5
Kilbane 2
Kroldrup 3
Bent 2.25
Chadwick 0.25
Gravesen 2.5
Clarke 0.15
Rooney 27
Linderoth 1
Radzinski 1.75
Pembridge 0.75
Southern 0.05
£96 Million
Conclusion: We have spent every penny recieved on transfers before this year plus more than £21.5 Million more!
So sit down and have yourself a nice cup of shut the **** up!
Infact, I think this list deserves a thread of its own!
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Posts: 199August 2011Jayee019 said:
My first question would have been.
Are you open to a fans takeover?
Second question if so How much?
this was a wonderful gobsh!te idea, wasn't it?
if the fans buy out the club, and we make a £5m loss, who pays it?
if there is no money in the pot,just like the last two years, will the fans dig into their pockets to fund Moyes? No, so what's the difference? -
Posts: 199August 2011Beano said:Michael Barrymore said:Beano said:Michael Barrymore said:
See beano the money for transfers doesn't get reinvested back into the team
Don't try change the context of what I said
Your exact words were "McFadden, Davies even Andy Johnsons fee went on debt"
I pointed out that's not true!
Which it isn't!
All their fees went on repaying debt he'd borrowed on the sky money payments just like the pienaar and JV fees
Stop wriggling like the little know nothing blagger worm you are
Jeez you're a dope. What you're saying is, for example, when we got £11 Million for AJ, we payed this money to the bank - and then 2 weeks later we borrowed another £15 Million from the bank to pay for Fellaini, even though we already had £11 Million of this money from the sale of AJ only a couple of week earlier? Why the **** would we borrow the £11 Million for Fellaini in the first place?
I said I wouldn't complile this list AGAIN but you've irratated me enough to make me do it.
Here's a list of all the in's and ou'ts for fees recieved/spent since Moyes became manager
We have spent £117.3 Million and recieved £96 Million.
This doesn't include loan fees, signing on fees or agent fees or FIFA training compensation. I also haven't included money paid for the likes of Saha and Nash coz we haven't got a clue how much it was - so the number is a good bit more than £117.3 Million considering it was reported recently that we spent £3.6 Million on agent fees in 2010 even though we didn't spend anything significant on transfer fees.
And don't start your **** either about these being propaganda figures from the club becuase the vast majority of these are taken from independent sources and the one's which aren't are the same figures as those independently reported and are figures which the other club involved in the transfer had no negative response on.
IN
Vellios 0.2
Gueye 0.9
Silva 0.05
Coleman 0.06
Heitinga 6.5
Distin 5
Bily 9.5
Fellaini 15
Pienaar 2.05
Gosling 1.25
yakubu 11.25
Baines 6
Jagielka 4
Jutkiewicz 1
Howard 3
Lescott 5
Johnson 8.6
Spencer 0.22
Van der Mayde 2
Valente 1.5
Neville 3.5
Arteta 2
Kroldrup 5
Davies 3.5
Ruddy 0.25
Beattie 6
Cahill 1.5
Bent 0.45
Martyn 0.5
McFadden 1.25
Kilbane 1
Wright 3.5
Rodrigo 1.25
Yobo 4.5
TOTAL £117.5 Million
Again, doesn't include loan fees recieved.
Out
Vaughan 2.5 (I believe we've only recieved 1 Million up front - but lets count the max value)
Pienaar 3
Jutkiewicz 0.25
Ruddy 0.15
Lescott 24 (some report it to be 22 Million, but again lets take the max)
Johnson 11
de Silva 0.05
Neil 0.75
Mcfadden 5.5
Beattie 4.25
Naysmith 1
Hughes (defender) 0.25
Davies 2.5
Kilbane 2
Kroldrup 3
Bent 2.25
Chadwick 0.25
Gravesen 2.5
Clarke 0.15
Rooney 27
Linderoth 1
Radzinski 1.75
Pembridge 0.75
Southern 0.05
£96 Million
Conclusion: We have spent every penny recieved on transfers before this year plus more than £21.5 Million more!
So sit down and have yourself a nice cup of shut the **** up!
Infact, I think this list deserves a thread of its own!
Didn't we get shafted on teh Krodop sale? -
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Posts: 199August 2011Beano said:
either this happened or i dreampt it, but didn't the club we sold him to effectively go bust and reneage on the majority of the fee? -
Posts: 3,455August 2011gwladysstreet said:Beano said:
either this happened or i dreampt it, but didn't the club we sold him to effectively go bust and reneage on the majority of the fee?
Well he went to Fiorentina who were relegated as punishment for match rigging but they won an appeal and got a 15 point deduction instead and still qualified for Europa!
He's still there so if they didn't pay, they can 4oookin pay now!!
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Posts: 199August 2011Beano said:gwladysstreet said:Beano said:
either this happened or i dreampt it, but didn't the club we sold him to effectively go bust and reneage on the majority of the fee?
Well he went to Fiorentina who were relegated as punishment for match rigging but they won an appeal and got a 15 point deduction instead and still qualified for Europa!
He's still there so if they didn't pay, they can 4oookin pay now!!
ah, well , maybe it was a dream -
Posts: 701August 2011 LEARNT NOTHING NEW FROM THAT INTERVIEW ! LETS HOPE FANS STOP SAYING HE'S HOLDING OUT FOR MORE MONEY BEFORE SELLING THE CLUB ! ONLY THING THAT WORRIES ME IS NAMING 4 PLAYERS WE'RE NOT SELLING ! IF THE MONEY IS RIGHT THEY NEED TO GO !
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Posts: 762August 2011Beano said:Michael Barrymore said:Beano said:Michael Barrymore said:
See beano the money for transfers doesn't get reinvested back into the team
Don't try change the context of what I said
Your exact words were "McFadden, Davies even Andy Johnsons fee went on debt"
I pointed out that's not true!
Which it isn't!
All their fees went on repaying debt he'd borrowed on the sky money payments just like the pienaar and JV fees
Stop wriggling like the little know nothing blagger worm you are
Jeez you're a dope. What you're saying is, for example, when we got £11 Million for AJ, we payed this money to the bank - and then 2 weeks later we borrowed another £15 Million from the bank to pay for Fellaini, even though we already had £11 Million of this money from the sale of AJ only a couple of week earlier? Why the **** would we borrow the £11 Million for Fellaini in the first place?
I said I wouldn't complile this list AGAIN but you've irratated me enough to make me do it.
Here's a list of all the in's and ou'ts for fees recieved/spent since Moyes became manager
We have spent £117.3 Million and recieved £96 Million.
This doesn't include loan fees, signing on fees or agent fees or FIFA training compensation. I also haven't included money paid for the likes of Saha and Nash coz we haven't got a clue how much it was - so the number is a good bit more than £117.3 Million considering it was reported recently that we spent £3.6 Million on agent fees in 2010 even though we didn't spend anything significant on transfer fees.
And don't start your **** either about these being propaganda figures from the club becuase the vast majority of these are taken from independent sources and the one's which aren't are the same figures as those independently reported and are figures which the other club involved in the transfer had no negative response on.
IN
Vellios 0.2
Gueye 0.9
Silva 0.05
Coleman 0.06
Heitinga 6.5
Distin 5
Bily 9.5
Fellaini 15
Pienaar 2.05
Gosling 1.25
yakubu 11.25
Baines 6
Jagielka 4
Jutkiewicz 1
Howard 3
Lescott 5
Johnson 8.6
Spencer 0.22
Van der Mayde 2
Valente 1.5
Neville 3.5
Arteta 2
Kroldrup 5
Davies 3.5
Ruddy 0.25
Beattie 6
Cahill 1.5
Bent 0.45
Martyn 0.5
McFadden 1.25
Kilbane 1
Wright 3.5
Rodrigo 1.25
Yobo 4.5
TOTAL £117.5 Million
Again, doesn't include loan fees recieved.
Out
Vaughan 2.5 (I believe we've only recieved 1 Million up front - but lets count the max value)
Pienaar 3
Jutkiewicz 0.25
Ruddy 0.15
Lescott 24 (some report it to be 22 Million, but again lets take the max)
Johnson 11
de Silva 0.05
Neil 0.75
Mcfadden 5.5
Beattie 4.25
Naysmith 1
Hughes (defender) 0.25
Davies 2.5
Kilbane 2
Kroldrup 3
Bent 2.25
Chadwick 0.25
Gravesen 2.5
Clarke 0.15
Rooney 27
Linderoth 1
Radzinski 1.75
Pembridge 0.75
Southern 0.05
£96 Million
Conclusion: We have spent every penny recieved on transfers before this year plus more than £21.5 Million more!
So sit down and have yourself a nice cup of shut the **** up!
Infact, I think this list deserves a thread of its own!
See you're just pulling figures from nowhere until you show me the official payments received/spent from an independent party like a bank and not random sites that speculate on a price (just like youre doing with a few of your price tags there) then you can get on your high horse
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Posts: 9,113August 2011DRINGO said:
LEARNT NOTHING NEW FROM THAT INTERVIEW ! LETS HOPE FANS STOP SAYING HE'S HOLDING OUT FOR MORE MONEY BEFORE SELLING THE CLUB ! ONLY THING THAT WORRIES ME IS NAMING 4 PLAYERS WE'RE NOT SELLING ! IF THE MONEY IS RIGHT THEY NEED TO GO !
Happily all the others are for sale so get rid of Arteta quick as -
Posts: 3,455August 2011Michael Barrymore said:
See you're just pulling figures from nowhere until you show me the official payments received/spent from an independent party like a bank and not random sites that speculate on a price (just like youre doing with a few of your price tags there) then you can get on your high horse
1) There are no figures in that list that are pulled out of nowhere (which is why I left the Saha and Nash figures out as I would have been pulling them from nowhere)
2) Not one of those amounts are way wide of the mark.
3) Banks do not publish details of their customers' transactions - if they published mine, I'd sue!
4) Everton on the other hand do publish official AUDITED numbers. They're called accounts and are available on the site
5) Until you can show me a source that proves my figures significantly wrong, it is you who cant get on any high horse.
6) You still haven't explained how the AJ money went to the banks when we spent £15 Million on Fellaini (an OFFICIAL figure which was also reported by the Standard Liege at the time) only 2 weeks after we sold him!
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Posts: 762August 2011Beano said:Michael Barrymore said:
See you're just pulling figures from nowhere until you show me the official payments received/spent from an independent party like a bank and not random sites that speculate on a price (just like youre doing with a few of your price tags there) then you can get on your high horse
1) There are no figures in that list that are pulled out of nowhere (which is why I left the Saha and Nash figures out as I would have been pulling them from nowhere)
2) Not one of those amounts are way wide of the mark.
3) Banks do not publish details of their customers' transactions - if they published mine, I'd sue!
4) Everton on the other hand do publish official AUDITED numbers. They're called accounts and are available on the site
5) Until you can show me a source that proves my figures significantly wrong, it is you who cant get on any high horse.
6) You still haven't explained how the AJ money went to the banks when we spent £15 Million on Fellaini (an OFFICIAL figure which was also reported by the Standard Liege at the time) only 2 weeks after we sold him!
Until you show me your source that prove yours and the clubs throwabout figures are significantly right I'll get of my high horse
You sit there with your calculator and be patronised by Bill and pals -
Posts: 3,455August 2011Michael Barrymore said:Beano said:Michael Barrymore said:
See you're just pulling figures from nowhere until you show me the official payments received/spent from an independent party like a bank and not random sites that speculate on a price (just like youre doing with a few of your price tags there) then you can get on your high horse
1) There are no figures in that list that are pulled out of nowhere (which is why I left the Saha and Nash figures out as I would have been pulling them from nowhere)
2) Not one of those amounts are way wide of the mark.
3) Banks do not publish details of their customers' transactions - if they published mine, I'd sue!
4) Everton on the other hand do publish official AUDITED numbers. They're called accounts and are available on the site
5) Until you can show me a source that proves my figures significantly wrong, it is you who cant get on any high horse.
6) You still haven't explained how the AJ money went to the banks when we spent £15 Million on Fellaini (an OFFICIAL figure which was also reported by the Standard Liege at the time) only 2 weeks after we sold him!
Until you show me your source that prove yours and the clubs throwabout figures are significantly right I'll get of my high horse
You sit there with your calculator and be patronised by Bill and pals
Still not answering the question huh?
I'm suprised (well, not really)
Funny how Everton and the other party involved in these transactions (eg Standard Liege) all tend to come up with the same "throwabout" figure innit? -
Posts: 3,160August 2011ToffeeCup said:milky71 said:
Toffeecup i respect your opinons more than most and wouldlike to know your views on the alleged secret taping of the meeting
Would be pointless to speculate.
You can understand, given the suspicion around the club and its situation currently, that all four of them would have been happy to have the conversation taped for practical reasons. After all it went on for three and a half hours.
You can also envisage Kenwright not agreeing to it being taped and it just being an honest conversation between Evertonians.
You would also not put it past some half witted walter mitty type taking in hidden recording equipment in the hope of catching Kenwright red handed admitting that he'd turned down the richest man on planet earth on the grounds that he wasn't going to be kept on as club ambassador.
Without knowing if it was or wasn't taped....or if Kenwright did or didn't agree to it. There isn't really anything worth commenting on. Although, to be honest, maybe I don't know the latest details about it.
What is know about it?
So it was the latter:
You would also not put it past some half witted walter mitty type taking in hidden
recording equipment in the hope of catching Kenwright red handed admitting
that he'd turned down the richest man on planet earth on the grounds that he
wasn't going to be kept on as club ambassador.
Bill didn't agree to it and the agreement was that the three would take notes.
So just to recap.
These three guys got a meeting with Evertons chairman who they accuse of not being honest with the fans. They lie to him about how the interview will be conducted, smuggle hidden recording into Bill Kenwrights office....and then accused Kenwright and the board, having had plenty of time to check their work and research the points that they will make to the waiting fans, of treating the fans with contempt by assuming they are unable to read the clubs accounts or the balance sheet going by the way they were spoken to in the meeting itself.
Whilst making it clear that they have apparently no understanding of the meaning of even basic financial terms such as the different between an 'investment' and a 'loan'.
That is just all manner of cringe worthy. And I hope the fans can see these pillocks for what they are.
They took unpaid leave, and travelled at their own expense down to Kenwrights office you know!
Jesus wept! Thats one seriously short staffed Mc Donalds they left behind.
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