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Posts: 545December 2011 Cameron 1.....E.C. 26 ...a bit one sided?Only a Tory could portray this as a "victory"Europe and Britain will be the losers..
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Posts: 3,001December 2011
In fairness... all they've (the non euro zone counties) agree to do is agree new financial measures on debt to gdp and other metrics to avoid anything like this happening in the future.
Any of those non EU counties armed with a financial center to compare to ours would defend it. Obvious I'm not talking about the Germany here which is currently standing over the area with whip in hand...
As for how the euro zone countries plan on getting out of their current mire.... the world awaits with baited breath.
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Posts: 3,253December 2011 Wait till the French 'harmonise' corporation tax, Ireland will be the first to suffer..........
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Posts: 545December 2011ToffeeCup said:
In fairness... all they've (the non euro zone counties) agree to do is agree new financial measures on debt to gdp and other metrics to avoid anything like this happening in the future.
Any of those non EU counties armed with a financial center to compare to ours would defend it. Obvious I'm not talking about the Germany here which is currently standing over the area with whip in hand...
As for how the euro zone countries plan on getting out of their current mire.... the world awaits with baited breath.-----------------
But fiscal responsibility for future decisions is imperative(as you say).As for defending..well after 38 years of being in a "community" one would have preferred a little engagement in a crisis situation.I don't think the U.K. can look at the "mire" with any degree of satisfaction,Escla excepted. -
Posts: 6,867December 2011 I'm waiting for the villa prices in Mallorca to drop. Surely this year? They were still over the odds in October.
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Posts: 545December 20111ceablue said:
Wait till the French 'harmonise' corporation tax, Ireland will be the first to suffer..........
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Think that is our "red line".We also have a veto. -
Posts: 3,253December 2011deso1957bc said:1ceablue said:
Wait till the French 'harmonise' corporation tax, Ireland will be the first to suffer..........
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Think that is our "red line".We also have a veto.-----------------
It's a done deal Deso, the French hate the fact that Ireland has a lower rate, they will get rid of it within a year, mark my words. 26-1 good odds as far as I'm concerned, we can stand on our own......... -
Posts: 545December 2011Snowcone said:
I'm waiting for the villa prices in Mallorca to drop. Surely this year? They were still over the odds in October.
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No drop would be big enough.Community charges prohibit any investment. -
Posts: 545December 20111ceablue said:deso1957bc said:1ceablue said:
Wait till the French 'harmonise' corporation tax, Ireland will be the first to suffer..........
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Think that is our "red line".We also have a veto.-----------------
It's a done deal Deso, the French hate the fact that Ireland has a lower rate, they will get rid of it within a year, mark my words. 26-1 good odds as far as I'm concerned, we can stand on our own.........-----------------
They can't.........without agreement.....and there are many countries with lower rates than ours who will not agree.I'm not sure whether you can stand alone.. -
Posts: 3,253December 2011deso1957bc said:1ceablue said:deso1957bc said:1ceablue said:
Wait till the French 'harmonise' corporation tax, Ireland will be the first to suffer..........
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Think that is our "red line".We also have a veto.-----------------
It's a done deal Deso, the French hate the fact that Ireland has a lower rate, they will get rid of it within a year, mark my words. 26-1 good odds as far as I'm concerned, we can stand on our own.........-----------------
They can't.........without agreement.....and there are many countries with lower rates than ours who will not agree.I'm not sure whether you can stand alone..-----------------
Deso it's really simple, without Britain the EU is run by Germany and France. France wants to get rid of the corporation taxation differentials. Ireland and co have absolutely no power over France and Germany because even combined your economies are so small. Britain is the 4th or 5th largest economy in the world, which for a small country is pretty good, we can stand on our own and indeed prosper. Ireland would be better off joining Sterling rather than sticking with the Euro. You're fckd my son....... -
Posts: 19,512December 2011 Germany gets what it wants... only 60 years later... and without the bloodshed....
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Posts: 3,001December 2011deso1957bc said:ToffeeCup said:
In fairness... all they've (the non euro zone counties) agree to do is agree new financial measures on debt to gdp and other metrics to avoid anything like this happening in the future.
Any of those non EU counties armed with a financial center to compare to ours would defend it. Obvious I'm not talking about the Germany here which is currently standing over the area with whip in hand...
As for how the euro zone countries plan on getting out of their current mire.... the world awaits with baited breath.-----------------
But fiscal responsibility for future decisions is imperative(as you say).As for defending..well after 38 years of being in a "community" one would have preferred a little engagement in a crisis situation.I don't think the U.K. can look at the "mire" with any degree of satisfaction,Escla excepted.-----------------
I never said the UK can or should look at the mire with any degree of satisfaction.
Community, engagement....we made it clear we could not tolerate (afford) any financial attack out the city of London before the meeting.... inside a day Britian has pulled out on this issue. You can say we could have engaged more...but its also fair to say that they knew how to make us disengage and made a beeline for that.
The Germans have what they want....but can they afford it? Others have dabbled in the euro debt mountain and have yet to have their fates handed down to them....Personally, I think France will end up doing the most damage down the line.
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Posts: 3,297December 20111ceablue said:deso1957bc said:1ceablue said:
Wait till the French 'harmonise' corporation tax, Ireland will be the first to suffer..........
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Think that is our "red line".We also have a veto.-----------------
It's a done deal Deso, the French hate the fact that Ireland has a lower rate, they will get rid of it within a year, mark my words. 26-1 good odds as far as I'm concerned, we can stand on our own.........-----------------
You don't know what you're talking about. The Irish don't have a lower effective rate than France. It's the other way around - and we still attract more US corporations than them. We have other advantages like the lesser time difference with America and the fact that English is our spoken language and the language of international business. Sarkozy won't have a say anyway if he's out of power in April which could happen if Euro goes **** up. Plus it's the Germans calling the shots anyway.
Europe has done alot for us but you ignore what it has taken away. For example we have the widest fishing waters in Europe but there's nothing but mainly Spanish trawlers covering them.
Europe has made more money out of our fishing waters since 1973 than what it has given us in grants in all that time!
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