escla said:

fizzbomb said:

Shurrup Ucunt!

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What an incredibly ignorant response, daresay it reflects your level of education and upbringing.

ToffeeCup said:

In all fairness to Germany and France... they knew they were never going to get any agreement out of all the european nations and Great Britian is the major player of all the non euro countries.

Hence, the quickest way to get the situation sorted out was for them to go straight at the city of London and force Cameron to predicably spit his dummy leaving the euro nations to sort out their own mess.

You can hardly blame them though as time is of the essense here. And its not like Cameron hasn't made our objections clear on the city of london leading up to this point.



The outcome though is exactly what German and France want...to be able to close the door to the rest of the world tie Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland and Portugal over a barrel and violently sodomise them for every euro of bail out cash they need...or perhaps more likely every million euro of debt that will need voiding.




Still, when all is said and done.... there are nations that haven't operated in a sensible manner and there are those nations who looked the other way for the sake of their own interests....and now the lot of them can sort out what they've brought on themselves.

But to think that David Cameron has done something other than have his strings pulled to an obvious end that largely pleases Germany is something only a tory tinted halfwitt would believe.

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ToffeeCup said:

In all fairness to Germany and France... they knew they were never going to get any agreement out of all the european nations and Great Britian is the major player of all the non euro countries.

Hence, the quickest way to get the situation sorted out was for them to go straight at the city of London and force Cameron to predicably spit his dummy leaving the euro nations to sort out their own mess.

You can hardly blame them though as time is of the essense here. And its not like Cameron hasn't made our objections clear on the city of london leading up to this point.



The outcome though is exactly what German and France want...to be able to close the door to the rest of the world tie Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland and Portugal over a barrel and violently sodomise them for every euro of bail out cash they need...or perhaps more likely every million euro of debt that will need voiding.




Still, when all is said and done.... there are nations that haven't operated in a sensible manner and there are those nations who looked the other way for the sake of their own interests....and now the lot of them can sort out what they've brought on themselves.

But to think that David Cameron has done something other than have his strings pulled to an obvious end that largely pleases Germany is something only a tory tinted halfwitt would believe.

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AndyForsyth said:

Completely the wrong message to send out by Cameron, saying that a deal is not in the UK's best interests, of course it is! It can only be good for ties with EU countries, be good for business deals with other EU countries, trading, farming and will only make the UK stronger also as a country. In the long run, Britain will suffer because of this poor decision.

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escla said:

ToffeeCup said:

In all fairness to Germany and France... they knew they were never going to get any agreement out of all the european nations and Great Britian is the major player of all the non euro countries.

Hence, the quickest way to get the situation sorted out was for them to go straight at the city of London and force Cameron to predicably spit his dummy leaving the euro nations to sort out their own mess.

You can hardly blame them though as time is of the essense here. And its not like Cameron hasn't made our objections clear on the city of london leading up to this point.



The outcome though is exactly what German and France want...to be able to close the door to the rest of the world tie Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland and Portugal over a barrel and violently sodomise them for every euro of bail out cash they need...or perhaps more likely every million euro of debt that will need voiding.




Still, when all is said and done.... there are nations that haven't operated in a sensible manner and there are those nations who looked the other way for the sake of their own interests....and now the lot of them can sort out what they've brought on themselves.

But to think that David Cameron has done something other than have his strings pulled to an obvious end that largely pleases Germany is something only a tory tinted halfwitt would believe.

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ToffeeCup said:

In all fairness to Germany and France... they knew they were never going to get any agreement out of all the european nations and Great Britian is the major player of all the non euro countries.

Hence, the quickest way to get the situation sorted out was for them to go straight at the city of London and force Cameron to predicably spit his dummy leaving the euro nations to sort out their own mess.

You can hardly blame them though as time is of the essense here. And its not like Cameron hasn't made our objections clear on the city of london leading up to this point.



The outcome though is exactly what German and France want...to be able to close the door to the rest of the world tie Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland and Portugal over a barrel and violently sodomise them for every euro of bail out cash they need...or perhaps more likely every million euro of debt that will need voiding.




Still, when all is said and done.... there are nations that haven't operated in a sensible manner and there are those nations who looked the other way for the sake of their own interests....and now the lot of them can sort out what they've brought on themselves.

But to think that David Cameron has done something other than have his strings pulled to an obvious end that largely pleases Germany is something only a tory tinted halfwitt would believe.

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Quite an insightful analysis of events, parts of which I would agree with you on, particularly that the "Merkozy" coalition will now have free reign to bully G.I.S.I.P. without GB intervention.Do not agree however that Cameron has had his strings pulled in any way whatsoever, clearly our veto is causing France/Germany considerable discomfort , and rightly so.

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There are only three strands of opinion in this country who have any great love of the EU:

1. The ruling elite - a cabal of senior politicians and diplomats who claim to be worried about our "loss of influence," although quite frankly why we should be concerned about meddling in the internal affairs of other European states (which is what the EU is ultimately for,) any more than we should lie awake at night fretting over our inability to determine employment law in Australia, or legislate to improve working conditions in Chinese coal mines, is quite beyond me. The whole influence thing might better be described as "Attending to the everyday needs of running a medium-sized European state isn't good enough for us, we want to be able to prance around at international conferences. And pretend that we're more important than we really are. And go to lots of fancy dinners." Pathetic.

2. The Eurotopians - those hardcore Europhiles who are desperate to dissolve the country and turn it into a collection of little provinces under the tutelage of Brussels. These tend to be the sort of people who criticise any attempt by the British Government to stand up for its own position as "little Englanderism", and view the EU as the great bastion of western civilization - by which they mean, a juggernaut which can roll over national opposition, in order to impose a statist social model on everybody. Basically, a regime of cradle-to-grave handouts, the 35-hour working week and retirement at 55 - a sort of Greek-style, social democrat dream world. The fact that the EU is fundamentally anti-democratic, or that the British population would be unlikely ever to support the continuation of such a policy in the long term, is beside the point. 

3. The defeatists - cue a wave of tedious moaning about how Britain doesn't have an empire anymore, and how we have to incorporate ourselves into the EU if we want to have any "influence" (that word again) in the world... Firstly, good riddance to imperialism. Secondly, if "influence" means doing what the Frankfurt Group command then I'd rather be irrelevant instead, thank you very much. Thirdly, being a sovereign state rather than an appendage of a bureaucratic confederation doesn't seem to have done any harm to the economies of the US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, the BRICs, and half-a-hundred other places.

AndyForsyth said:

Surely though, as with any situation, the more people that pitch in to help out, the quicker the situation gets sorted, and with more ease too?

And if the UK were to join the Euro, surely it makes it easier for business deals and trading between EU countries to be done?

I get what you mean when you say the UK people should be repaid by the UK banks because the UK people bailed them out, I get it (sound like Ed there don't I? No, maybe not) and that makes sense in this case but I still think that we should be forging links with the EU and joining the Euro because in the long run, it will only strengthen the UK in other cases.

And, not that this is relevant, but I was one of a minority who was pro-Gordon Brown. Never understood the hatred for him. A lot more trustworthy than Blair.

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