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Moves beans lack of creativity & attacking options
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Ummmm.....

    Beckford
    Yakubu
    Pienaar
    Arteta

    who sold em eh?

    And before anyone goes off on one I'm not saying they shouldn't have been sold for one reason or another but seriously how can he bemoan the situation when we failed to replace any of them (possibly Drenthe for Pienaar but still too early).

    Stuff the countdown to Xmas, its the countdown to transfer window I'm more interested in.
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Think that the title should have said bemoans....damn predictive text.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    DonMakaveli said:

    Ummmm.....

    Beckford
    Yakubu
    Pienaar
    Arteta

    who sold em eh?

    And before anyone goes off on one I'm not saying they shouldn't have been sold for one reason or another but seriously how can he bemoan the situation when we failed to replace any of them (possibly Drenthe for Pienaar but still too early).

    Stuff the countdown to Xmas, its the countdown to transfer window I'm more interested in.



    Now do ya REALLY think Moyes didn't spend £200 Million replacing those coz he decided this way would be better fun?

    Does this really have ti be explained?
    I mean REALLY?
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Did he have to sell Beckford AND Yakubu?!?
    I mean REALLY?
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,111
    Beano said:

    DonMakaveli said:

    Ummmm.....

    Beckford
    Yakubu
    Pienaar
    Arteta

    who sold em eh?

    And before anyone goes off on one I'm not saying they shouldn't have been sold for one reason or another but seriously how can he bemoan the situation when we failed to replace any of them (possibly Drenthe for Pienaar but still too early).

    Stuff the countdown to Xmas, its the countdown to transfer window I'm more interested in.



    Now do ya REALLY think Moyes didn't spend £200 Million replacing those coz he decided this way would be better fun?

    Does this really have ti be explained?
    I mean REALLY?

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    TBF Beano The Don makes the point that he understands why they were sold etc,.......i think circumstance has gone agaisnt us in the last few transfer windows etc, if he has maybe 10million to spend in jan and get rid of billy ithink he can bring in the players he needs to help us push on
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    DonMakaveli said:

    Did he have to sell Beckford AND Yakubu?!?
    I mean REALLY?



    I don't know!
    Neither do you!

    But I suspect he'd have kept Beckford if he had known there was £10 Million coming later that day when scabby Arteta put in hin transfer request 3 hours before deadline like!
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    sambo applecart said:

    Beano said:

    DonMakaveli said:

    Ummmm.....

    Beckford
    Yakubu
    Pienaar
    Arteta

    who sold em eh?

    And before anyone goes off on one I'm not saying they shouldn't have been sold for one reason or another but seriously how can he bemoan the situation when we failed to replace any of them (possibly Drenthe for Pienaar but still too early).

    Stuff the countdown to Xmas, its the countdown to transfer window I'm more interested in.



    Now do ya REALLY think Moyes didn't spend £200 Million replacing those coz he decided this way would be better fun?

    Does this really have ti be explained?
    I mean REALLY?

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    TBF Beano The Don makes the point that he understands why they were sold etc,.......i think circumstance has gone agaisnt us in the last few transfer windows etc, if he has maybe 10million to spend in jan and get rid of billy ithink he can bring in the players he needs to help us push on



    He also makes the point that Moyes never replaced the.
    As if Moyes was sitting on a pot of cash and not using it for the heck of it like!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,111
    Hence me saying circumstance has gone against us, i.e Arteta leaving at the last minute etc.


    I'm sure there will be some pennies to spend in Jan, and if we can get one or 2 freebies all will be ok :).

    For example.....

    Drenthe on a pre contract, thats Piennar replaced.

    Maynard and Rodellega's contracts are up next summer, that could be Saha (as i expect him to go next summer) and Beckford/Yak replaced.

    Thats nothing we've spent so far.

    I'm not sure who we could get to replace Arteta tbh, but i think that will cost us the best part of 8-10million.

    If Billy were to go that could give us an extra 4 or 5 million.

    So somebody like Donovan on loan for a few months will help us get through to the end of the season, which will get another year on the backs of Barkley, Vellios and Gueye.

    In 6 months time, things could be looking up massively, we just have to weather the storm and ride the tide at the moment unfortunately.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    sambo applecart said:

    Hence me saying circumstance has gone against us, i.e Arteta leaving at the last minute etc.


    I'm sure there will be some pennies to spend in Jan, and if we can get one or 2 freebies all will be ok :).

    For example.....

    Drenthe on a pre contract, thats Piennar replaced.

    Maynard and Rodellega's contracts are up next summer, that could be Saha (as i expect him to go next summer) and Beckford/Yak replaced.

    Thats nothing we've spent so far.

    I'm not sure who we could get to replace Arteta tbh, but i think that will cost us the best part of 8-10million.

    If Billy were to go that could give us an extra 4 or 5 million.

    So somebody like Donovan on loan for a few months will help us get through to the end of the season, which will get another year on the backs of Barkley, Vellios and Gueye.

    In 6 months time, things could be looking up massively, we just have to weather the storm and ride the tide at the moment unfortunately.




    Not sure I'd want Maynard or Rodellega but I hope you're right overall.

    I still think Moyes can pull another Pienaar/Arteta out of the bag in the 2 - 2.5 Million pound price range!
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Beano said:

    sambo applecart said:

    Beano said:

    DonMakaveli said:

    Ummmm.....

    Beckford
    Yakubu
    Pienaar
    Arteta

    who sold em eh?

    And before anyone goes off on one I'm not saying they shouldn't have been sold for one reason or another but seriously how can he bemoan the situation when we failed to replace any of them (possibly Drenthe for Pienaar but still too early).

    Stuff the countdown to Xmas, its the countdown to transfer window I'm more interested in.



    Now do ya REALLY think Moyes didn't spend £200 Million replacing those coz he decided this way would be better fun?

    Does this really have ti be explained?
    I mean REALLY?

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    TBF Beano The Don makes the point that he understands why they were sold etc,.......i think circumstance has gone agaisnt us in the last few transfer windows etc, if he has maybe 10million to spend in jan and get rid of billy ithink he can bring in the players he needs to help us push on



    He also makes the point that Moyes never replaced the.
    As if Moyes was sitting on a pot of cash and not using it for the heck of it like!


    No I wasn't saying that - I was saying that Moyes didn't HAVE to sell - As he kindly reminds us, we are not a selling club. We clearly weren't desperate for the cash as he will spend in January - He could easily have held onto Yak OR Beckford until January, he did NOT ahve to sell them both, and to do so without having a ready made replace was not good and as a result we are feeling it now.....
  • Warrington Dan
    Posts: 8,858
    DonMakaveli said:

    Ummmm.....

    Beckford
    Yakubu
    Pienaar
    Arteta

    who sold em eh?

    And before anyone goes off on one I'm not saying they shouldn't have been sold for one reason or another but seriously how can he bemoan the situation when we failed to replace any of them (possibly Drenthe for Pienaar but still too early).

    Stuff the countdown to Xmas, its the countdown to transfer window I'm more interested in.


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    Beckford could get the odd goal but his play wasn't up to standard

    Yakubu needed to leave in order to re-build his career 

    Pienaar was sold because he was gonna leave anyway 

    Arteta wanted to **** off so we could either sell him or keep an unhappy player
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Dan, in your honest opinion (which is the reason why the forum exists), if we had kept Yakubu or Beckford would we have scored more goals than we currently have this season?
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,111
    Beano said:

    sambo applecart said:

    Hence me saying circumstance has gone against us, i.e Arteta leaving at the last minute etc.


    I'm sure there will be some pennies to spend in Jan, and if we can get one or 2 freebies all will be ok :).

    For example.....

    Drenthe on a pre contract, thats Piennar replaced.

    Maynard and Rodellega's contracts are up next summer, that could be Saha (as i expect him to go next summer) and Beckford/Yak replaced.

    Thats nothing we've spent so far.

    I'm not sure who we could get to replace Arteta tbh, but i think that will cost us the best part of 8-10million.

    If Billy were to go that could give us an extra 4 or 5 million.

    So somebody like Donovan on loan for a few months will help us get through to the end of the season, which will get another year on the backs of Barkley, Vellios and Gueye.

    In 6 months time, things could be looking up massively, we just have to weather the storm and ride the tide at the moment unfortunately.




    Not sure I'd want Maynard or Rodellega but I hope you're right overall.

    I still think Moyes can pull another Pienaar/Arteta out of the bag in the 2 - 2.5 Million pound price range!

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    i completley agree beano, we as fans, the players, all need a lift and a couple of new fesh decent faces will do that imo.

    I think Rodallega and or Maynard for what could be nothing would be great signings, if it doesnt work, we can sell them for a profit after a year! And if not those 2, im sure moyes has an idea of who can and could get....if theres one thing he is good at, its finding little gems!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,111
    DonMakaveli said:

    Dan, in your honest opinion (which is the reason why the forum exists), if we had kept Yakubu or Beckford would we have scored more goals than we currently have this season?


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    Sorry for butting in Don mate, but imo, no, i dont think we would cos we are struggling to create the chances.
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    The more the merrier Sambo, have to hold my hands up and agree with you there, but think that the one thing that we had with Beckford was pace and we are missing that up front - We have it on the flanks with Seamus and Ricky but up front we ain't got it and just feel that his pace would have given us an outlet.

    Totally agree with you about creativity or lack thereof.....
  • Warrington Dan
    Posts: 8,858
    DonMakaveli said:

    Dan, in your honest opinion (which is the reason why the forum exists), if we had kept Yakubu or Beckford would we have scored more goals than we currently have this season?


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    Couldn't have scored much less 
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,111
    DonMakaveli said:

    The more the merrier Sambo, have to hold my hands up and agree with you there, but think that the one thing that we had with Beckford was pace and we are missing that up front - We have it on the flanks with Seamus and Ricky but up front we ain't got it and just feel that his pace would have given us an outlet.

    Totally agree with you about creativity or lack thereof.....


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    We have it in abundance on the wings especially when drenthe plays, i do think we need pace, kind of like when we had andy johnson really, hopefully we can find a striker that has pace, can hold the ball up, knows where the onion bag is AND be able to afford that creative spark in the middle of the park that we are lacking too then its onwards and upwards!
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    sambo applecart said:

    DonMakaveli said:

    The more the merrier Sambo, have to hold my hands up and agree with you there, but think that the one thing that we had with Beckford was pace and we are missing that up front - We have it on the flanks with Seamus and Ricky but up front we ain't got it and just feel that his pace would have given us an outlet.

    Totally agree with you about creativity or lack thereof.....


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    We have it in abundance on the wings especially when drenthe plays, i do think we need pace, kind of like when we had andy johnson really, hopefully we can find a striker that has pace, can hold the ball up, knows where the onion bag is AND be able to afford that creative spark in the middle of the park that we are lacking too then its onwards and upwards!


    Not sure if Barca/ Real will let Messi or Ronaldo go in the middle of the season but fingers crossed eh?
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,111
    you just never know mate, never say never! lol
  • IhateRS
    Posts: 1,091
    DonMakaveli said:

    Think that the title should have said bemoans....damn predictive text.


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    Should probably have said Moyes as well lol.
    Can't agree with you though.
    Pienaar went despite the best efforts of the club, nothing Moyes could do about it and no money made available to buy.
    We were in debt and had to sell so the firs offers that came in were accepted.. These being the out of form Yak and the unrated Beckford.. Becks I thought was a good player and it was a shame he left.
    Arteta threw in a transfer request at the 11th hour and we had no chance to replace him, the others we had no funds to replace him.

  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    sambo applecart said:

    DonMakaveli said:

    Dan, in your honest opinion (which is the reason why the forum exists), if we had kept Yakubu or Beckford would we have scored more goals than we currently have this season?


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    Sorry for butting in Don mate, but imo, no, i dont think we would cos we are struggling to create the chances.


    Totally Agree.

    I think only Arteta could have improved us this season out of the ones gone because the reason we are not scoring is because we are not creative and he could have offered us that. Pienaar was good but I like Drenthe and feel he offers as much but again needs support that Arteta would have given him.

    Can't blame Moyes for Arteta leaving but feel if we had said not until January he would have given us time to line up a replacement but do believe we needed the cash.

    Two things will improve Evertons chances of scoring:
    Playing 2 strikers (not Cahill as he is an attacking mid who makes late runs)
    or A strong creative player to give the strikers the right balls to score with.

    Ideally we need both and that is why I would like to see more of Barkley because if he is as good as everyone thinks he should at least offer some creativity.


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