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  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    Warrington Dan said:

    Beano said:

    Warrington Dan said:

    Beano said:

    Can describe the game very simply. Lots of crosses that were meat and drink to Stoke. Lots of straight balls from Heitinga in particular which were frustrating. Very little thru the middle. A couple of decent crosses from Bily but he faded like he always does. Baines was out of sorts too. Vellios didn't have much success but I think even if we had Rooney or Van Persie up front today, things wouldn't have been much different.


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    I agree. Poor tactics from Moyes today and he needs hold his hands up and admit he was very poor!

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    You agree with me saying poor tactics? But I didn't say anything about tactics! We have no creativity either out wide without Drenthe or thru the middle. There's no midfield Moyes could have picked today that would have been creative!

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    I was agreeing with the Rooney and Van Persie comment. And it was correct because how Everton were playing and our style of play is set up by Mr Moyes who I believe let us down today. Don't get me wrong I don't want him out but today he let the fans down. 

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    I see a bit of a contradiction in viet you think he jets the damp down with the formation for nearly 10 years but you don't want him to go!
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

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    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

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    There does be 2 players in the box when a cross comes in. One of whom has been fairly dominant in the air over His 7+ years in the PL
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,668
    Beano said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

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    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

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    There does be 2 players in the box when a cross comes in. One of whom has been fairly dominant in the air over His 7+ years in the PL

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    So dominant that he hasn't scored for a year?
  • fizzbomb
    Posts: 1,245
    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

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    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

    Look I wanna see gung-ho football just as much as anyone but let me slow this down a bit for you...............No........one..........is...........creating............. any..............chances.
    Why don't we play ten upfront?
    Timmy can-**** the ball up top and we'll score 8 every week.
    Fact is we aren't good enough, but like Big Victor and 442 and certain other things it becomes 'trendy' to spout things out like Moyes let us down today.
    The players on the pitch let me down today in the fact that they did not perform to a level I know they can.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,108
    Beano said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

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    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

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    There does be 2 players in the box when a cross comes in. One of whom has been fairly dominant in the air over His 7+ years in the PL

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    IMO Beano, he's getting to that time in his career where he has had his time, and an impact sub is what he should be for me nowadays, and im not dissing the lad, its just how it is, for me today, he just looked a player in the twilight of his career, the legs just aint doing like they were 2 or 3 years ago........
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    11blue said:

    Beano said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

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    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

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    There does be 2 players in the box when a cross comes in. One of whom has been fairly dominant in the air over His 7+ years in the PL

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    So dominant that he hasn't scored for a year?

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    That's what's gonna happen when you've only got Baines whipping in decent crosses. And even most of his today were muck!
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,668
    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

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    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

    Look I wanna see gung-ho football just as much as anyone but let me slow this down a bit for you...............No........one..........is...........creating............. any..............chances.
    Why don't we play ten upfront?
    Timmy can-**** the ball up top and we'll score 8 every week.
    Fact is we aren't good enough, but like Big Victor and 442 and certain other things it becomes 'trendy' to spout things out like Moyes let us down today.
    The players on the pitch let me down today in the fact that they did not perform to a level I know they can.

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    I never said the players played well, I think we were without doubt below par. But how can our midfielder's create chances for our forwards when there is absolutely no movement ahead of them? Teams know exactly how we are going to play as our tactics have become far too predictable. They know if they can stop Baines from putting balls into the box and they know that if they get two men on our forward whoever that may be, we will struggle to create anything. Vellios looked isolated up there on his own today, but even he never made much movement, and Saha spends most of his time in the centre circle or on the wing, so how can our midfielder's create chances for them? Look at Arteta for example, he has been doing well for Arsenal as he has players like Van Pirse, Gervinho and Walcott ahead of him.
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,668
    Beano said:

    11blue said:

    Beano said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

    -----------------



    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

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    There does be 2 players in the box when a cross comes in. One of whom has been fairly dominant in the air over His 7+ years in the PL

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    So dominant that he hasn't scored for a year?

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    That's what's gonna happen when you've only got Baines whipping in decent crosses. And even most of his today were muck!

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    They were only much because not enough people were in the box in my opinion mate!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,108
    We put plenty of crosses in (not always good quality granted) but nobody made a single effort to get (or try to get) on the end of them.
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,668
    sambo applecart said:

    We put plenty of crosses in (not always good quality granted) but nobody made a single effort to get (or try to get) on the end of them.


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    Exactly........................
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

    -----------------



    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

    Look I wanna see gung-ho football just as much as anyone but let me slow this down a bit for you...............No........one..........is...........creating............. any..............chances.
    Why don't we play ten upfront?
    Timmy can-**** the ball up top and we'll score 8 every week.
    Fact is we aren't good enough, but like Big Victor and 442 and certain other things it becomes 'trendy' to spout things out like Moyes let us down today.
    The players on the pitch let me down today in the fact that they did not perform to a level I know they can.

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    I never said the players played well, I think we were without doubt below par. But how can our midfielder's create chances for our forwards when there is absolutely no movement ahead of them? Teams know exactly how we are going to play as our tactics have become far too predictable. They know if they can stop Baines from putting balls into the box and they know that if they get two men on our forward whoever that may be, we will struggle to create anything. Vellios looked isolated up there on his own today, but even he never made much movement, and Saha spends most of his time in the centre circle or on the wing, so how can our midfielder's create chances for them? Look at Arteta for example, he has been doing well for Arsenal as he has players like Van Pirse, Gervinho and Walcott ahead of him.


    You need to open your eyes and properly observe the number of our players that do be in the box when our cross comes in!
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,668
    I'll count next time Beano!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,108
    Beano said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

    -----------------



    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

    Look I wanna see gung-ho football just as much as anyone but let me slow this down a bit for you...............No........one..........is...........creating............. any..............chances.
    Why don't we play ten upfront?
    Timmy can-**** the ball up top and we'll score 8 every week.
    Fact is we aren't good enough, but like Big Victor and 442 and certain other things it becomes 'trendy' to spout things out like Moyes let us down today.
    The players on the pitch let me down today in the fact that they did not perform to a level I know they can.

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    I never said the players played well, I think we were without doubt below par. But how can our midfielder's create chances for our forwards when there is absolutely no movement ahead of them? Teams know exactly how we are going to play as our tactics have become far too predictable. They know if they can stop Baines from putting balls into the box and they know that if they get two men on our forward whoever that may be, we will struggle to create anything. Vellios looked isolated up there on his own today, but even he never made much movement, and Saha spends most of his time in the centre circle or on the wing, so how can our midfielder's create chances for them? Look at Arteta for example, he has been doing well for Arsenal as he has players like Van Pirse, Gervinho and Walcott ahead of him.


    You need to open your eyes and properly observe the number of our players that do be in the box when our cross comes in!

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    i lost count of the amount of times we put crosses in to the box today mate and there was people just lingering on the edge of the box and not even making an effort to get there. if it were me, i would bust a gut every time just incase there was that half chance that came my way, but maybe thats just me.

    But yes, i do agree, there was times when people were in the box, but they were in poor positions imo so never any chance of getting on the end of anything, ATTACK THE BALL!
  • fizzbomb
    Posts: 1,245
    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

    -----------------



    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

    Look I wanna see gung-ho football just as much as anyone but let me slow this down a bit for you...............No........one..........is...........creating............. any..............chances.
    Why don't we play ten upfront?
    Timmy can-**** the ball up top and we'll score 8 every week.
    Fact is we aren't good enough, but like Big Victor and 442 and certain other things it becomes 'trendy' to spout things out like Moyes let us down today.
    The players on the pitch let me down today in the fact that they did not perform to a level I know they can.

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    I never said the players played well, I think we were without doubt below par. But how can our midfielder's create chances for our forwards when there is absolutely no movement ahead of them? Teams know exactly how we are going to play as our tactics have become far too predictable. They know if they can stop Baines from putting balls into the box and they know that if they get two men on our forward whoever that may be, we will struggle to create anything. Vellios looked isolated up there on his own today, but even he never made much movement, and Saha spends most of his time in the centre circle or on the wing, so how can our midfielder's create chances for them? Look at Arteta for example, he has been doing well for Arsenal as he has players like Van Pirse, Gervinho and Walcott ahead of him.

    So what is the solution?

    Come on blow me away now with the answer.

    Oh no I already know, it's simple, play 442 and everything will be as sweet as a nut pffffft.
    We aren't as good this season as some of yers think we are, that's the top and bottom of it.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,247
    11blue said:

    So dominant that he hasn't scored for a year?



    And I prefer to say he hasn't scored in 14 league and cup starts!

    Sounds a lot less awful than saying a year!! :D

  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,668
    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    11blue said:

    fizzbomb said:

    We never went 442 at any point in the game............what
    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh.

    If this is the case we played 90 mins with 5 in midfield, in that time our midfield created absolutely diddly squat, WTF makes you fckn brain dead bastads think 4 in midfield are gonna create more chances.
    The fact of the matter is we are bolloxs....................accept it.


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    Lets play 6 in midfield next week and see how much they can create.


    If you are trying to be smart blue, let me simplify this for you.........it doesn't matter what formation Moyes sends out they don't have the ability required to create chances for the strikers to score goals freely. U get me son

    -----------------



    If you can't score goals and you don't have enough players in positions to score goals, you should play 2 strikers rather than 1.

    Isn't that just common sense?

    Look I wanna see gung-ho football just as much as anyone but let me slow this down a bit for you...............No........one..........is...........creating............. any..............chances.
    Why don't we play ten upfront?
    Timmy can-**** the ball up top and we'll score 8 every week.
    Fact is we aren't good enough, but like Big Victor and 442 and certain other things it becomes 'trendy' to spout things out like Moyes let us down today.
    The players on the pitch let me down today in the fact that they did not perform to a level I know they can.

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    I never said the players played well, I think we were without doubt below par. But how can our midfielder's create chances for our forwards when there is absolutely no movement ahead of them? Teams know exactly how we are going to play as our tactics have become far too predictable. They know if they can stop Baines from putting balls into the box and they know that if they get two men on our forward whoever that may be, we will struggle to create anything. Vellios looked isolated up there on his own today, but even he never made much movement, and Saha spends most of his time in the centre circle or on the wing, so how can our midfielder's create chances for them? Look at Arteta for example, he has been doing well for Arsenal as he has players like Van Pirse, Gervinho and Walcott ahead of him.

    So what is the solution?

    Come on blow me away now with the answer.

    Oh no I already know, it's simple, play 442 and everything will be as sweet as a nut pffffft.
    We aren't as good this season as some of yers think we are, that's the top and bottom of it.

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    Players like Baines, Drenthe, Coleman and even Hibbert and Bily get crosses in the box regularly, but nobody gets on the end of them. When you are not getting enough players in the box what do you do? You bring on two forwards so there will be more in the box. What do you do when you are losing a game? You bring on two forwards so we will have more of a chance of scoring. What do you do when our forward is isolated up front? You bring on another forward to play up front with him so he will have support. Also, the reason why we aren't creating any chances is because there is no movement up front, I think our forward or forwards need to move around more, and I thought Vellios desperately needed support up there yesterday.
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