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Posts: 3,253November 2011 TBF, we could do with an extra couple of mods on here and I reckon Andy and Escla would do a good job........
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Posts: 2,514November 2011 I'd do it if there wasn't all the paper work for it. Partly because I'm lazy and partly because I don't think there's any particular need for CRB checks for running an internet forum.
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Posts: 2,450November 2011 Oh dear ,oh dear, oh dear ! Andy, are you afraid of what a CRB check might reveal about you ! Anyway, you'd make a lousy mod, too good natured and impartial by far, we need mods like I used to be, totally unsympathetic to anyone's views that were not in line with mine, ready to delete any defamatory remarks about the Great Lady Baroness Thatcher and totally committed to promoting Tory values within the BR.
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Posts: 2,450November 2011OldGoldenVision said:
Do the Tories have values?
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Of course they do, even Labour have values, just that they have the wrong ones ! -
Posts: 19,472November 2011 I googled to see what the Tories' values are:
"The more we trust people, the stronger they and society become.
We're all in this together - government, business, the voluntary sector, families and individuals. We have a shared responsibility for our shared future."
Do you agree with those values and that the Tories are achieving the following:
"To improve the quality of life for everyone through:
A dynamic economy, where thriving businesses create jobs, wealth and opportunity.
A strong society, where our families, our communities and our nation create secure foundations on which people can build their lives.
A sustainable environment, where we enhance the beauty of our surroundings and protect the future of the planet."
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Posts: 2,450November 2011 Yes I agree with those values and yes I agree that they have made good progress in clearing up the mess that Browns clowns left this country in, how in Hells name that halfwit ever became prime minister and that money grabbing crook Blair before him, god only knows !
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Posts: 19,472November 2011 Its interesting to hear. Be more interesting to see how long they have in tenure, before blaming Labour becomes tired. Do you agree? Do you think they will effect a dynamic economy? Their last "strong" economy was driven by greed an ended in recession, pretty much like the crook Blair's did. Do you not think that a lot of this political posturing draws attention away from the basic fact of economic cycles? Brown was a fool for saying he was going to end boom and bust. An acknowledgement that its a fact off life and working with it, might have been a better strategy. Blaming Labour though is a little rich given that we have a worldwide recession.
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Posts: 2,450November 2011 You make some very valid points which I don't disagree with, I fully appreciate that we have a global recession but that said, we have in my belief an economy that bears more resemblance to that of Italy than that of Germany, had we had proper financial governance during Labours term in office this could easily have been the case. I apologise for a hurried and brief response but I have a 10.06 tee off time and can't be late !
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Posts: 2,514November 2011escla said:
Oh dear ,oh dear, oh dear ! Andy, are you afraid of what a CRB check might reveal about you ! Anyway, you'd make a lousy mod, too good natured and impartial by far, we need mods like I used to be, totally unsympathetic to anyone's views that were not in line with mine, ready to delete any defamatory remarks about the Great Lady Baroness Thatcher and totally committed to promoting Tory values within the BR.
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Not at all, had to do a CRB check for my JOB at the recycling enterprise I work for.Interestingly, on the subject of the old bint that is Thatcher, did you hear about the old woman in America who was killed in a crash who's name was Margaret Thatcher? Didn't half cause a stir on Twitter apparently! -
Posts: 2,514November 2011OldGoldenVision said:
I googled to see what the Tories' values are:
"The more we trust people, the stronger they and society become.
We're all in this together - government, business, the voluntary sector, families and individuals. We have a shared responsibility for our shared future."
Do you agree with those values and that the Tories are achieving the following:
"To improve the quality of life for everyone through:
A dynamic economy, where thriving businesses create jobs, wealth and opportunity.
A strong society, where our families, our communities and our nation create secure foundations on which people can build their lives.
A sustainable environment, where we enhance the beauty of our surroundings and protect the future of the planet."
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All that shower are doing are making the rich richer and the poor poorer. It's clear for all to see! And this attitude they've got about the strikes on Wednesday is absolutely ridiculous! People in work are entitled to better pensions and better work conditions (ok, so it's primarily about the pensions but still, I think my point stands) and for politicians to decide that those who work their backsides off should be happy with pensions as they are, is seriously stupid and a deluded view. In effect, they're only in it for themselves and looking after their own!Bloody selfish idiots are the Tories, can't stand them! -
Posts: 2,450November 2011 Andy, clearly your grasp of the current dispute is both uneducated and unqualified , you post particularly inaccurate, ignorant and juvenile comments about an issue of which you have no understanding whatsoever. To an extent I can probably understand why you have such a jaundiced view of the Conservative party, your background is probably the root cause, I suspect that your " father and grandfather voted Labour " and with you unable to form an opinion of your own, you simply follow family traditions.
This is wrong though Andy ! My father was also a Labour supporter, and his father too I suspect ! That may well have been right for the times and particularly the working class but the world has changed ! The ideals for which Labour stood for during our parents/grandparents generation are no longer valid and as far as I can see have long since been abandoned by "New Labour" ( this name change in itself suggests that they were ashamed of their recent past) so open your eyes and start reading something other than the Racing Post !
This changes to the Cilvil service mention scheme are not a Tory inspired aspiration, it is a global issue driven by changing demographics I it is happening all over the world, would have happened under labour and the changes are by far less extreme than in the majority of other countries. People are living longer, less people are paying into N.I and pension schemes so where do you suggest the money comes from ? Oh, Gordon Browns answer would have been to borrow it , great idea ! Even Milliband would disagree with that.
These people working in the public sector enjoy pension privileges far in excess of what the majority of the U.K. workforce do and in any event anyone over the age of 50 will not be affected whatsoever by the change, so let's just get real about this, it is the only sensible option to ensure create a legacy for future generations, you have to look at the long game !
Probably pointless going into any further discussion about this subject with you Andy, maybe one day you will form an opinion of your own instead of simply following the mantra of the ill informed, over and out ! -
Posts: 1,794November 2011 The tories are lying about the pension reform. Clegg said that he thinks the effected people should just get put their laptop and check. Firstly most civil servants don't get one. Not free WiFi at work. idiot. Secondly is cross sampling the bold claims they make do not stand up to the results their own site produces. I left the civil service seven years ago because despite the really good pension I didn't want to live my life in fear of redundancy and getting paid significantly less than a private sector equivalent. My wages increased 50% by three years after I left. A lot of these people do vital jobs, and yes some do it badly, but that needs to be addressed, not all public sector workers condemned. Take jobcentre staff, 30% reductions whilst the unemployed have increased threefold since I worked there.
To roundly condemn someone for supporting Labour is narrow minded and the childish reactionary response I expect from Tories who, like King Charles before them believe they are the natural rulers. Cameron and his cronies talk about civil servants being subsidized by the people of Britain. They aren't, they're wholly paid for by us for doing generally thankless jobs for less than market rates. Dave is also paid by us, but he of course has countless other interests that means he rakes in 400,000. Most politicians are self serving onanists, the Tories just more so. -
Posts: 2,514November 2011escla said:
Andy, clearly your grasp of the current dispute is both uneducated and unqualified , you post particularly inaccurate, ignorant and juvenile comments about an issue of which you have no understanding whatsoever. To an extent I can probably understand why you have such a jaundiced view of the Conservative party, your background is probably the root cause, I suspect that your " father and grandfather voted Labour " and with you unable to form an opinion of your own, you simply follow family traditions.
This is wrong though Andy ! My father was also a Labour supporter, and his father too I suspect ! That may well have been right for the times and particularly the working class but the world has changed ! The ideals for which Labour stood for during our parents/grandparents generation are no longer valid and as far as I can see have long since been abandoned by "New Labour" ( this name change in itself suggests that they were ashamed of their recent past) so open your eyes and start reading something other than the Racing Post !
This changes to the Cilvil service mention scheme are not a Tory inspired aspiration, it is a global issue driven by changing demographics I it is happening all over the world, would have happened under labour and the changes are by far less extreme than in the majority of other countries. People are living longer, less people are paying into N.I and pension schemes so where do you suggest the money comes from ? Oh, Gordon Browns answer would have been to borrow it , great idea ! Even Milliband would disagree with that.
These people working in the public sector enjoy pension privileges far in excess of what the majority of the U.K. workforce do and in any event anyone over the age of 50 will not be affected whatsoever by the change, so let's just get real about this, it is the only sensible option to ensure create a legacy for future generations, you have to look at the long game !
Probably pointless going into any further discussion about this subject with you Andy, maybe one day you will form an opinion of your own instead of simply following the mantra of the ill informed, over and out !-----------------
EXCUSE ME?! WHAT A VILE LITTLE CREATURE YOU REALLY ARE!! How DARE you suggest I am incapable of forming my own opinions! You vile, cretinous, pompous stuck up b.astard!My opinions are my own, and only my own, you do NOT bring my family into this, how dare you!And to suggest that I read only the Racing Post?! INCORRECT! That's like me suggesting you only read the Daily Mail! Probably incorrect, you probably read the Express and Telegraph too!You have no right to patronise me and speak to me in such a despicable manner! -
Posts: 1,230November 2011AndyForsyth said:escla said:
Andy, clearly your grasp of the current dispute is both uneducated and unqualified , you post particularly inaccurate, ignorant and juvenile comments about an issue of which you have no understanding whatsoever. To an extent I can probably understand why you have such a jaundiced view of the Conservative party, your background is probably the root cause, I suspect that your " father and grandfather voted Labour " and with you unable to form an opinion of your own, you simply follow family traditions.
This is wrong though Andy ! My father was also a Labour supporter, and his father too I suspect ! That may well have been right for the times and particularly the working class but the world has changed ! The ideals for which Labour stood for during our parents/grandparents generation are no longer valid and as far as I can see have long since been abandoned by "New Labour" ( this name change in itself suggests that they were ashamed of their recent past) so open your eyes and start reading something other than the Racing Post !
This changes to the Cilvil service mention scheme are not a Tory inspired aspiration, it is a global issue driven by changing demographics I it is happening all over the world, would have happened under labour and the changes are by far less extreme than in the majority of other countries. People are living longer, less people are paying into N.I and pension schemes so where do you suggest the money comes from ? Oh, Gordon Browns answer would have been to borrow it , great idea ! Even Milliband would disagree with that.
These people working in the public sector enjoy pension privileges far in excess of what the majority of the U.K. workforce do and in any event anyone over the age of 50 will not be affected whatsoever by the change, so let's just get real about this, it is the only sensible option to ensure create a legacy for future generations, you have to look at the long game !
Probably pointless going into any further discussion about this subject with you Andy, maybe one day you will form an opinion of your own instead of simply following the mantra of the ill informed, over and out !-----------------
EXCUSE ME?! WHAT A VILE LITTLE CREATURE YOU REALLY ARE!! How DARE you suggest I am incapable of forming my own opinions! You vile, cretinous, pompous stuck up b.astard!My opinions are my own, and only my own, you do NOT bring my family into this, how dare you!And to suggest that I read only the Racing Post?! INCORRECT! That's like me suggesting you only read the Daily Mail! Probably incorrect, you probably read the Express and Telegraph too!You have no right to patronise me and speak to me in such a despicable manner!-----------------
U 2 at it again my money is on andy talks more sense. -
Posts: 2,514November 2011bluetouch said:AndyForsyth said:escla said:
Andy, clearly your grasp of the current dispute is both uneducated and unqualified , you post particularly inaccurate, ignorant and juvenile comments about an issue of which you have no understanding whatsoever. To an extent I can probably understand why you have such a jaundiced view of the Conservative party, your background is probably the root cause, I suspect that your " father and grandfather voted Labour " and with you unable to form an opinion of your own, you simply follow family traditions.
This is wrong though Andy ! My father was also a Labour supporter, and his father too I suspect ! That may well have been right for the times and particularly the working class but the world has changed ! The ideals for which Labour stood for during our parents/grandparents generation are no longer valid and as far as I can see have long since been abandoned by "New Labour" ( this name change in itself suggests that they were ashamed of their recent past) so open your eyes and start reading something other than the Racing Post !
This changes to the Cilvil service mention scheme are not a Tory inspired aspiration, it is a global issue driven by changing demographics I it is happening all over the world, would have happened under labour and the changes are by far less extreme than in the majority of other countries. People are living longer, less people are paying into N.I and pension schemes so where do you suggest the money comes from ? Oh, Gordon Browns answer would have been to borrow it , great idea ! Even Milliband would disagree with that.
These people working in the public sector enjoy pension privileges far in excess of what the majority of the U.K. workforce do and in any event anyone over the age of 50 will not be affected whatsoever by the change, so let's just get real about this, it is the only sensible option to ensure create a legacy for future generations, you have to look at the long game !
Probably pointless going into any further discussion about this subject with you Andy, maybe one day you will form an opinion of your own instead of simply following the mantra of the ill informed, over and out !-----------------
EXCUSE ME?! WHAT A VILE LITTLE CREATURE YOU REALLY ARE!! How DARE you suggest I am incapable of forming my own opinions! You vile, cretinous, pompous stuck up b.astard!My opinions are my own, and only my own, you do NOT bring my family into this, how dare you!And to suggest that I read only the Racing Post?! INCORRECT! That's like me suggesting you only read the Daily Mail! Probably incorrect, you probably read the Express and Telegraph too!You have no right to patronise me and speak to me in such a despicable manner!-----------------
U 2 at it again my money is on andy talks more sense.-----------------
I do try and ignore him, but he's now taken to talking about me in a derogatory manner when I'm not even around and continues to insult my intelligence which gets my goat up. By the way, good safe bet that ;) -
Posts: 2,450November 2011MavisCruet said:
The tories are lying about the pension reform. Clegg said that he thinks the effected people should just get put their laptop and check. Firstly most civil servants don't get one. Not free WiFi at work. idiot. Secondly is cross sampling the bold claims they make do not stand up to the results their own site produces. I left the civil service seven years ago because despite the really good pension I didn't want to live my life in fear of redundancy and getting paid significantly less than a private sector equivalent. My wages increased 50% by three years after I left. A lot of these people do vital jobs, and yes some do it badly, but that needs to be addressed, not all public sector workers condemned. Take jobcentre staff, 30% reductions whilst the unemployed have increased threefold since I worked there.
To roundly condemn someone for supporting Labour is narrow minded and the childish reactionary response I expect from Tories who, like King Charles before them believe they are the natural rulers. Cameron and his cronies talk about civil servants being subsidized by the people of Britain. They aren't, they're wholly paid for by us for doing generally thankless jobs for less than market rates. Dave is also paid by us, but he of course has countless other interests that means he rakes in. 400,000. Most politicians are self serving onanists, the Tories just more so.
Mavis, part one of your response Clegg/laptops/ free wifi I don't quite understand. Part two is not entirely true, I do not "roundly condemn" someone for supporting Labour, I am happy to listen and discuss their views IF THEY ARE WELL informed , Andy makes sweeping statements about issues that he does not understand, that's all.-----------------
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Posts: 2,514November 2011escla said:MavisCruet said:
The tories are lying about the pension reform. Clegg said that he thinks the effected people should just get put their laptop and check. Firstly most civil servants don't get one. Not free WiFi at work. idiot. Secondly is cross sampling the bold claims they make do not stand up to the results their own site produces. I left the civil service seven years ago because despite the really good pension I didn't want to live my life in fear of redundancy and getting paid significantly less than a private sector equivalent. My wages increased 50% by three years after I left. A lot of these people do vital jobs, and yes some do it badly, but that needs to be addressed, not all public sector workers condemned. Take jobcentre staff, 30% reductions whilst the unemployed have increased threefold since I worked there.
To roundly condemn someone for supporting Labour is narrow minded and the childish reactionary response I expect from Tories who, like King Charles before them believe they are the natural rulers. Cameron and his cronies talk about civil servants being subsidized by the people of Britain. They aren't, they're wholly paid for by us for doing generally thankless jobs for less than market rates. Dave is also paid by us, but he of course has countless other interests that means he rakes in. 400,000. Most politicians are self serving onanists, the Tories just more so.
Mavis, part one of your response Clegg/laptops/ free wifi I don't quite understand. Part two is not entirely true, I do not "roundly condemn" someone for supporting Labour, I am happy to listen and discuss their views IF THEY ARE WELL informed , Andy makes sweeping statements about issues that he does not understand, that's all.-----------------
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AGAIN! You insult my intelligence, what the hell is this obsession you have?! And once again, you're wrong! -
Posts: 1,794November 2011escla said:MavisCruet said:
The tories are lying about the pension reform. Clegg said that he thinks the effected people should just get put their laptop and check. Firstly most civil servants don't get one. Not free WiFi at work. idiot. Secondly is cross sampling the bold claims they make do not stand up to the results their own site produces. I left the civil service seven years ago because despite the really good pension I didn't want to live my life in fear of redundancy and getting paid significantly less than a private sector equivalent. My wages increased 50% by three years after I left. A lot of these people do vital jobs, and yes some do it badly, but that needs to be addressed, not all public sector workers condemned. Take jobcentre staff, 30% reductions whilst the unemployed have increased threefold since I worked there.
To roundly condemn someone for supporting Labour is narrow minded and the childish reactionary response I expect from Tories who, like King Charles before them believe they are the natural rulers. Cameron and his cronies talk about civil servants being subsidized by the people of Britain. They aren't, they're wholly paid for by us for doing generally thankless jobs for less than market rates. Dave is also paid by us, but he of course has countless other interests that means he rakes in. 400,000. Most politicians are self serving onanists, the Tories just more so.
Mavis, part one of your response Clegg/laptops/ free wifi I don't quite understand. Part two is not entirely true, I do not "roundly condemn" someone for supporting Labour, I am happy to listen and discuss their views IF THEY ARE WELL informed , Andy makes sweeping statements about issues that he does not understand, that's all.-----------------
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The part about Clegg was that he says that "The only thing I ask them to do between now and next Wednesday is to sit at their desk, flip open their laptop, get on to the government website..." Which is massively indicative of how out of touch these people are with the working conditions of central and local government employees, they are not all whitehall mandarins, these are hardworking office people in often shoddy buildings with no laptop to flip open, no blackberry to check their mail on and no wifi to use either. People have in their mind that civil service jobs are glamorous and these people perpetuate it willfully for political ends or out of gross incompetence.I am however pleased that you acknowledge the rest of my second paragraph to be true though.
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Posts: 19,472November 2011 Given the demographic of the average evertonian it is interesting to see this kind of debate...I can personally say that party politics is absolute shee-ite. I was a member of the labour party until about two months ago. I was sick and tired of having some pleb tell me to click "x" button to support some stupid hair brained scheme some halfwit had dreamed up. Dont get me wrong though. I think there are a hell of a lot of feckin eejit tories out there.... and as for Clegg. Next Tory leader in my mind.I think we need a revolution!
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