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Man City in the CL.....
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    tickets11 said:

    IhateRS said:

    tickets11 said:

    this is where you have to give credit to chelsea, arsenal united and the RS for playing in the champions league for all those seasons and making it look easy.  

    tactics is crucial in europe, but mancini will learn from this season and play a more defensive formation in later seasons.  Unlike moyes, who never learnt from his mistakes


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    Moyes not defensive enough for you then?

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    moyes is clueless in europe, doesent know when to attack or defend, and tactics have been poor, against most half decent teams we struggle, especially away from home.




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    so is mancini then??
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    sambo applecart said:

    tickets11 said:

    koolhandluke8 said:

    tickets11 said:

    this is where you have to give credit to chelsea, arsenal united and the RS for playing in the champions league for all those seasons and making it look easy.  

    tactics is crucial in europe, but mancini will learn from this season and play a more defensive formation in later seasons.  Unlike moyes, who never learnt from his mistakes



    hahaha this is classic !! what mistakes ? a disallowed goal from a ref who received a lucrative advertising contract from the sponsors !! How does moyes rectify that ?
    and how could he learn from them and put them right when he never had the opportunity too ?

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    im talking about europe in general not the Cl qualifiers.

    sporting lisbon, benfica, fiorentina away, and a lot of away games we got absolutely battered.  it was literally like we took the under 16's.


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    think it was just a bad day at the office fiorentina away tbh mate, cos we absolutely battered them at goodison :). every team can have bad performances in europe away from home. 

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    wasnt just fiorentina tho was it, benfica and sporting aswell.  any half decent team we meet we struggle against.

    group stages are **** easy anyway, stoke and birmingham are showing us that, and spurs are fielding there reserve team.  the next stage after that we struggle

    the amount of european games moyes had under his belt moyes should of learnt, but he didnt.



  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    sambo applecart said:

    tickets11 said:

    IhateRS said:

    tickets11 said:

    this is where you have to give credit to chelsea, arsenal united and the RS for playing in the champions league for all those seasons and making it look easy.  

    tactics is crucial in europe, but mancini will learn from this season and play a more defensive formation in later seasons.  Unlike moyes, who never learnt from his mistakes


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    Moyes not defensive enough for you then?

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    moyes is clueless in europe, doesent know when to attack or defend, and tactics have been poor, against most half decent teams we struggle, especially away from home.




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    so is mancini then??

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    he is, but its his first season in CL, and he has learnt the hard way.  he thought he could play the way he does in the prem in the CL and win every game that way.

    I can guarantee you next season they will get past the group stages.

  • koolhandluke8
    Posts: 3,024
    so basically it's ok for mancini ..but not moyes...err.......

    and it's his forst season in europe...with city !!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    tickets11 said:

    sambo applecart said:

    tickets11 said:

    IhateRS said:

    tickets11 said:

    this is where you have to give credit to chelsea, arsenal united and the RS for playing in the champions league for all those seasons and making it look easy.  

    tactics is crucial in europe, but mancini will learn from this season and play a more defensive formation in later seasons.  Unlike moyes, who never learnt from his mistakes


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    Moyes not defensive enough for you then?

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    moyes is clueless in europe, doesent know when to attack or defend, and tactics have been poor, against most half decent teams we struggle, especially away from home.




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    so is mancini then??

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    he is, but its his first season in CL, and he has learnt the hard way.  he thought he could play the way he does in the prem in the CL and win every game that way.

    I can guarantee you next season they will get past the group stages.


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    they will no doubt spend another 100 million next summer to help this happen though mate imo.

    When we have been beaten in Europe, i.e sporting, Benfica etc, we have been beaten by better teams imo. 
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,298
    tickets11 said:


    im talking about europe in general not the Cl qualifiers.

    sporting lisbon, benfica, fiorentina away, and a lot of away games we got absolutely battered.  it was literally like we took the under 16's.




    Well it wasn't far off our under 16s
    away to Sporting, we had a patched up defense with Senderons and Yobo in central defense and they had never played together before

    With Benfica it was even worse. We started with Distin as our only centre back. No left back and no right midfeilder.

    When you haven't even got a starting 11, I dunno how you're supposed to be able to patch up a team AND make tactical changes also!

    You salso selectively leave out good results like Zenit St. Petersburg who won the UEFA cup the year we beat them in it and also won away to AZ Alkmaar who hadn't lost at home in Europe for a record 32 games

    And by the way. Its not Manchini's first season in Euope with City! He has been in Eupoe with City before, and lazio and Inter Milan also.

    Thats not to mention his contenintal experience as a player....and the fact that he's continental himself....incase you haven't noticed. He'd have played and magaed every game of his carrer against and with the more technical sides


    SO THERE!!!!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    some times its easy to forget the things that are under our noses.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:


    im talking about europe in general not the Cl qualifiers.

    sporting lisbon, benfica, fiorentina away, and a lot of away games we got absolutely battered.  it was literally like we took the under 16's.




    Well it wasn't far off our under 16s
    away to Sporting, we had a patched up defense with Senderons and Yobo in central defense and they had never played together before

    With Benfica it was even worse. We started with Distin as our only centre back. No left back and no right midfeilder.

    When you haven't even got a starting 11, I dunno how you're supposed to be able to patch up a team AND make tactical changes also!

    You salso selectively leave out good results like Zenit St. Petersburg who won the UEFA cup the year we beat them in it and also won away to AZ Alkmaar who hadn't lost at home in Europe for a record 32 games

    And by the way. Its not Manchini's first season in Euope with City! He has been in Eupoe with City before, and lazio and Inter Milan also.

    Thats not to mention his contenintal experience as a player....and the fact that he's continental himself....incase you haven't noticed. He'd have played and magaed every game of his carrer against and with the more technical sides


    SO THERE!!!!

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    ye thats right blame it on injuries.

    the only reason chelsea in the fa cup final beat us was because we had injuries wasnt it.  lets forget that they controlled the game for 89mins.


    when we played away in europe, it wasnt a case of "we were unlucky" we got played off the park in a lot of those games and you know it, we fully deserved most of those defeats we had.  it wasnt a case of we never took our chances, it was a case of we never created any


    and as I said about mancini, he saw his team stand toe to toe with the big boys in the premier league, and thought he could do the same to teams in europe, it never worked, now he has learnt his lesson.


    Even ferguson has had to adapt to playing 4-5-1 in recent seasons in the champions league.


  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,512
    Oh really do just **** off!
  • zagan
    Posts: 4,706
    OldGoldenVision said:

    Oh really do just **** off!


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    Agreed.

    Its amazing how much an RS reads into Everton....
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    tickets11 said:

    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:


    im talking about europe in general not the Cl qualifiers.

    sporting lisbon, benfica, fiorentina away, and a lot of away games we got absolutely battered.  it was literally like we took the under 16's.




    Well it wasn't far off our under 16s
    away to Sporting, we had a patched up defense with Senderons and Yobo in central defense and they had never played together before

    With Benfica it was even worse. We started with Distin as our only centre back. No left back and no right midfeilder.

    When you haven't even got a starting 11, I dunno how you're supposed to be able to patch up a team AND make tactical changes also!

    You salso selectively leave out good results like Zenit St. Petersburg who won the UEFA cup the year we beat them in it and also won away to AZ Alkmaar who hadn't lost at home in Europe for a record 32 games

    And by the way. Its not Manchini's first season in Euope with City! He has been in Eupoe with City before, and lazio and Inter Milan also.

    Thats not to mention his contenintal experience as a player....and the fact that he's continental himself....incase you haven't noticed. He'd have played and magaed every game of his carrer against and with the more technical sides


    SO THERE!!!!

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    ye thats right blame it on injuries.

    the only reason chelsea in the fa cup final beat us was because we had injuries wasnt it.  lets forget that they controlled the game for 89mins.


    when we played away in europe, it wasnt a case of "we were unlucky" we got played off the park in a lot of those games and you know it, we fully deserved most of those defeats we had.  it wasnt a case of we never took our chances, it was a case of we never created any


    and as I said about mancini, he saw his team stand toe to toe with the big boys in the premier league, and thought he could do the same to teams in europe, it never worked, now he has learnt his lesson.


    Even ferguson has had to adapt to playing 4-5-1 in recent seasons in the champions league.



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    imo bud, its probably because they dont have the personnel that they have had in previous seasons, so have had to adapt to that foramtion or they probably would still be playing 4-4-2 do you think?
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,298
    tickets11 said:

    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:


    im talking about europe in general not the Cl qualifiers.

    sporting lisbon, benfica, fiorentina away, and a lot of away games we got absolutely battered.  it was literally like we took the under 16's.




    Well it wasn't far off our under 16s
    away to Sporting, we had a patched up defense with Senderons and Yobo in central defense and they had never played together before

    With Benfica it was even worse. We started with Distin as our only centre back. No left back and no right midfeilder.

    When you haven't even got a starting 11, I dunno how you're supposed to be able to patch up a team AND make tactical changes also!

    You salso selectively leave out good results like Zenit St. Petersburg who won the UEFA cup the year we beat them in it and also won away to AZ Alkmaar who hadn't lost at home in Europe for a record 32 games

    And by the way. Its not Manchini's first season in Euope with City! He has been in Eupoe with City before, and lazio and Inter Milan also.

    Thats not to mention his contenintal experience as a player....and the fact that he's continental himself....incase you haven't noticed. He'd have played and magaed every game of his carrer against and with the more technical sides


    SO THERE!!!!

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    ye thats right blame it on injuries.

    the only reason chelsea in the fa cup final beat us was because we had injuries wasnt it.  lets forget that they controlled the game for 89mins.


    when we played away in europe, it wasnt a case of "we were unlucky" we got played off the park in a lot of those games and you know it, we fully deserved most of those defeats we had.  it wasnt a case of we never took our chances, it was a case of we never created any


    and as I said about mancini, he saw his team stand toe to toe with the big boys in the premier league, and thought he could do the same to teams in europe, it never worked, now he has learnt his lesson.


    Even ferguson has had to adapt to playing 4-5-1 in recent seasons in the champions league.



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    Instead of spouting **** about stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with anything mentioned in this thread (the 09 cup final, injuries causing the defeats etc), why make up quotes together with lovely quotation marks around words that nobody here said at all. Why not try to address the actual points that were made or questions that were asked?

    I.E. How does a manager make tactical changes to a team that's already patched together?

    How does Manchini not already have adequate European experience when he was in Europa last season with this team and in Champions League other reasons as both manager and player

    Why pretend all the games we won never happened?
  • DonMakaveli
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    Cos he's a c*nt.
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Against Benfica we had a back 4 of Gosling, Coleman, Hibbert and Distin. What would you expect to happen?
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    DonMakaveli said:

    Against Benfica we had a back 4 of Gosling, Coleman, Hibbert and Distin. What would you expect to happen?


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    sorry to break it to you Don mate, but, your not likely to get an answer........
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Believe me...I know. Me and Tickets have a bit of history as I'm sure a lot of others have with him. He comes out all guns blazing but if you debate particularly he either verbally attacks you or avoids the question. Normally I ignore his posts now but he p!ssed me off lol.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    DonMakaveli said:

    Believe me...I know. Me and Tickets have a bit of history as I'm sure a lot of others have with him. He comes out all guns blazing but if you debate particularly he either verbally attacks you or avoids the question. Normally I ignore his posts now but he p!ssed me off lol.


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    lol, if i only ever looked at something in a negative way (in this case for tickets, Everton) i just wouldn't bother, it cant be good for your peace of mind to feel so badly about something your supposed to love imo like...
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    You haven't met my wife chum.....
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,512
    Tickets genuinely is Thick.  There is no other explanation for it.  He'll tell you he "stringed you along"(?) next for his own amusement....

    Tickets World - Its Not Real
  • zagan
    Posts: 4,706
    OldGoldenVision said:

    Tickets genuinely is Thick.  There is no other explanation for it.  He'll tell you he "stringed you along"(?) next for his own amusement....


    Tickets World - Its Not Real

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    biggest internet vagina around...

    nuff said....
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