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Tryin to ruin this player as well moyes?????
  • kingmoyes
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    emdeell165702 said:

    11blue said:

    Are you thinking about changing your name Kingmoyes................


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    Hows about f*kingmoyes ?

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    Your new............ tread carefully my dear

  • kingmoyes
    Posts: 1,841
    Beano said:

    kingmoyes said:

    Beano said:

    Where does all this absolute bollix about Moyes ruining players come from? FFS!

    We put 100 crosses into the box against Wolves and they were all absolute 5hite except the one's that came from Baines and a couple from Drenthe. Baines getting into wide positions to whip in crosses is hugely important to us and has been for 3 years. If his winger isn't protecting him, he can't do that! What's the problem FFS?


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    So tell me beano!  How many flair players do we have at the club FFS?

    List them......

    And tell me how many hard workers we have FFS? 

    Basically beano, I would say 90% of the players moyes chooses are HARD WORKERS FFS, then he moans we have no creativity FFS!

    FFS FFS FFS!!!!!!!





    I didn't say we don't have more hard workers than flair!
    What players has Moyes ruined?

    Yakubu??
    Him who hadn't scored for 6 months for Middlesbrough before we bought him - comes to Everton and bangs them in at first, scores more goals tan he ever has in a season, and then gets fed up just like at Middlesbrough and Portsmouth before! His trend isn't any different!

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    invalid!  Ok, tell me 1 striker that moyes has actually had success with in his 10 years at the club!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Cmon!!!!!  

    COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If you fail to answer this you lose
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,250
    How is the fact that Moyes has supposedly runied players who can't be named "invalid"?

    Your question depends on how you define "success".
    For me, success can ONLY be measued in value for money!
    We've had huge value for players we got for nothing or next to nothing like Bent, Beckford and McFadden who wev've sold for big profits. AJ went for a big profit too and was one of our best players. Yak had his most sucessful season ever with us and became the first
    Everton striker to break 20 goals in a season since Lineker! Rooney emerged as one of the Worlds most exciting talents.
    And don't forget Cahill has been used as a striker too

    The only striker Moyes bought who did nothing for the money spent I'd say was Beattie!

    I win!
  • kingmoyes
    Posts: 1,841
    Beano said:

    How is the fact that Moyes has supposedly runied players who can't be named "invalid"?

    Your question depends on how you define "success".
    For me, success can ONLY be measued in value for money!
    We've had huge value for players we got for nothing or next to nothing like Bent, Beckford and McFadden who wev've sold for big profits. AJ went for a big profit too and was one of our best players. Yak had his most sucessful season ever with us and became the first
    Everton striker to break 20 goals in a season since Lineker! Rooney emerged as one of the Worlds most exciting talents.
    And don't forget Cahill has been used as a striker too

    The only striker Moyes bought who did nothing for the money spent I'd say was Beattie!

    I win!


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    I like you beano, you know i do, cos you always put up a fair argument and never go personal, your a good lad mate..

    But your so wrong!

    He lost the whole 11.75 million on Yakubu, He lost 4m on Beattie...

    Beckford was no success, he couldn't handle him! Johnson was a lucky sale and so was Faddy!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,145
    kingmoyes said:

    Beano said:

    How is the fact that Moyes has supposedly runied players who can't be named "invalid"?

    Your question depends on how you define "success".
    For me, success can ONLY be measued in value for money!
    We've had huge value for players we got for nothing or next to nothing like Bent, Beckford and McFadden who wev've sold for big profits. AJ went for a big profit too and was one of our best players. Yak had his most sucessful season ever with us and became the first
    Everton striker to break 20 goals in a season since Lineker! Rooney emerged as one of the Worlds most exciting talents.
    And don't forget Cahill has been used as a striker too

    The only striker Moyes bought who did nothing for the money spent I'd say was Beattie!

    I win!


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    I like you beano, you know i do, cos you always put up a fair argument and never go personal, your a good lad mate..

    But your so wrong!

    He lost the whole 11.75 million on Yakubu, He lost 4m on Beattie...

    Beckford was no success, he couldn't handle him! Johnson was a lucky sale and so was Faddy!

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    so the profit we made on beckford (3.5m) and faddy (4m) means an overall loss of 7 million on beattie and yakubu AND we sold rooney for 23m ish, so i reckon, overall, we are in profit on strikers. how about that??
  • Beano
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    sambo applecart said:

    kingmoyes said:

    Beano said:

    How is the fact that Moyes has supposedly runied players who can't be named "invalid"?

    Your question depends on how you define "success".
    For me, success can ONLY be measued in value for money!
    We've had huge value for players we got for nothing or next to nothing like Bent, Beckford and McFadden who wev've sold for big profits. AJ went for a big profit too and was one of our best players. Yak had his most sucessful season ever with us and became the first
    Everton striker to break 20 goals in a season since Lineker! Rooney emerged as one of the Worlds most exciting talents.
    And don't forget Cahill has been used as a striker too

    The only striker Moyes bought who did nothing for the money spent I'd say was Beattie!

    I win!


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    I like you beano, you know i do, cos you always put up a fair argument and never go personal, your a good lad mate..

    But your so wrong!

    He lost the whole 11.75 million on Yakubu, He lost 4m on Beattie...

    Beckford was no success, he couldn't handle him! Johnson was a lucky sale and so was Faddy!

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    so the profit we made on beckford (3.5m) and faddy (4m) means an overall loss of 7 million on beattie and yakubu AND we sold rooney for 23m ish, so i reckon, overall, we are in profit on strikers. how about that??

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    And don't foget Bent!

    By my calculations, we're £4 Million in profit on striker transfers before you even count Rooney, or any of the players who were brought through the youth system, or any of the strikers who were here before Moyes (Radzinski, being the only one who was worth anything and even that wasn't much)

    We didn't lose the whole £11.25 on Yak. And we lost £2 Million on Beattie. Not 4!
  • koolhandluke8
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    this conversation has moved from moyes "ruining players" to the money that has been/not been recuperated for players....different question......
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,145
    koolhandluke8 said:

    this conversation has moved from moyes "ruining players" to the money that has been/not been recuperated for players....different question......


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    surely luke lad, if, overall, we are not losing money on strikers in the transfer market, Moyes isnt ruining them?
  • Beano
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    koolhandluke8 said:

    this conversation has moved from moyes "ruining players" to the money that has been/not been recuperated for players....different question......



    It's not entirely different
    If a player has been sold for large profits like Faddy, AJ, Bent, you can't say Everton ruined the player! He left worth more!
  • koolhandluke8
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    i agree but i think the original question was about drenthe being ruined when all moyes was "questioning" IMO was what he does/doesn't do "off the ball"
  • sambo applecart
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    i blmae KM, he started ranting about strikers being ruined, me and beano just answered him !
  • kingmoyes
    Posts: 1,841
    koolhandluke8 said:


    koolhandluke8 said:


    koolhandluke8 said:

    i agree but i think the original question was about drenthe being ruined when all moyes was "questioning" IMO was what he does/doesn't do "off the ball"


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    your right! 

    He has never made a success out of a striker! 

    full stop
  • kingmoyes
    Posts: 1,841
    sambo applecart said:

    i blmae KM, he started ranting about strikers being ruined, me and beano just answered him !


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    your so wrong sambo!

    profit? so what!

    lets count goals and success

    i win
  • koolhandluke8
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    i think it's fair to say that strikers and moyes dont mix well...the fact we recouperated or sold at a loss/gain is irrelevant IMO....

    we had good strikers that didn't perform as strikers mainly because moyes wants them to chase back, defend, and work the channels backwards...
  • Beano
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    Yer

    That new name should be QueenDalglish
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,250
    kingmoyes said:

    sambo applecart said:

    i blmae KM, he started ranting about strikers being ruined, me and beano just answered him !


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    your so wrong sambo!

    profit? so what!

    lets count goals and success

    i win


    It seems you're expecting Moyes to get a striker of Drogba porportions when the transfer fees of all the strikers he has signed combined in almost 10 years = approxiamtely Drogba's fee!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,145
    Beano said:

    Yer

    That new name should be QueenDalglish


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    AGREED!
  • koolhandluke8
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    Beano said:

    Yer

    That new name should be QueenDalglish




    what ??
  • Phantomblue
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    he hasn't had the greatest time with strikers, however the tactics he plays means that other players have to react quickly to the striker  e.i. (1) long balled (or goal kick) up to striker, yet, not many times are there players around the striker to pick up the 2nd ball. (2) crosses into the box where they are normally out numbered or the cross is bad.

    the strikers have had their chances while playing, AJ would still be at the club if it was not the Yak playing so well, Beatti died a death and couldn't play football and Mcfadden was never an out an out striker.
  • moysyboy1943
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    kingmoyes said:

    11blue said:

    Are you thinking about changing your name Kingmoyes................


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    I would love to at the mo!

    I love moyes, but his CONSTANT whining about any flair we have ever had is doing my NUT in! And then he moans in the papers we dont have enough creativity!!!!!!!!!! agrrrr

    Is it just me? or does anyone else see this.............  kin ell

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    my sentimens exactly....moysey's tactics do not include flair or creativity....ffs dump 4411 or 451  whatever you call it,,,I  call it negativity
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