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Posts: 545August 2011 "off the park"
So a poster said yesterday with a predictive sense almost as good as Esclas IPad.
In fact there was hardly a foul,let alone one of note in the entire game.
The two aspects that struck me were:
Who will score goals for us this season....the usual complaint and
How can a team as poor as they were create more,and better,chances than Everton did? -
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Posts: 5,468August 2011 i will worry after saturday if we not got a decent result, not worried about a sharpner after missing our 1st game.
cahill ,saha,baines, beckford, the usual i suppose hopefully barklay plays he looks like hes got some goals in him,
you never know 2 weeks we may get someone on loan or god forbid someone goes(jags,felli) and we can bring in crouch or sturridge, think with bainesys service crouch be a decent signing. -
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Posts: 199August 2011Beano said:
Dunno what the 4ook game you were watchin lad!!
What were your thoughts Mr B? -
Posts: 3,455August 2011gwladysstreet said:
Mr B didn't really think it was a particularly useful exercise - it was treated like a training ground match by us, so we might as well have just stayed on the training ground and saved ourselves the air fare. Was a good night out though!
More of my views here
http://www.evertonfc.com/forum/discussion/299/everton-vs-bohemians
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Posts: 545August 2011Beano said:
Dunno what the 4ook game you were watchin lad!!
I reckon you're on drugs like.
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Posts: 3,455August 2011deso1957bc said:
Yeah...all those Bohs chances must have come when I turned around to shoot up! -
Posts: 235August 2011Beano said:
Hahahahahaha :-D -
Posts: 239August 2011deso1957bc said:
"off the park"
So a poster said yesterday with a predictive sense almost as good as Esclas IPad.
In fact there was hardly a foul,let alone one of note in the entire game.
The two aspects that struck me were:
Who will score goals for us this season....the usual complaint and
How can a team as poor as they were create more,and better,chances than Everton did?
The point being made was NOT that they would be dirty...but THE RISK were taking if they did !!! -
Posts: 36August 2011 Everton were shocking.
Fair enough Back 4 was makeshift but the starting midfield and attack could be picked for a premiership game.
There was no invention or cutting edge. Beckford and anichebe should both be sold if possible. Beckford was acting like he was a guaranteed starter so I presume saha wont be fit for Saturday. At least velios put himself about a bit in the second half and ossie added a little creativity but he cant do it on his own.
For some reason in the first half Arteta was playing as the holding midfielder with Felli in front of him. Midfield looked more balanced with Felli as the holding player in second half and arteta on the left. At least Arteta made an effort when he was moved left.
Rodwell showed endeavour but a decision needs to be made on his position as it looks to be affecting his performances. He looks like he isnt sure about it himself when he's on the pitch.
I was astounded when i saw this line in the daily posts match report "Solid and composed, Garbutt could be pleased with his efforts"
Garbutt looked indecisive, one footed to a fault and tactically naive. He was caught out more than once by players who should be below his level and was at fault for the goal where he was caught ball watching by a simple ball over the top. He is a long way from good enough to play for Everton and I have my doubts whether he will ever be. I hope baines doesn't pick up a bad injury as we appear to have zero cover for him.
In conclusion, if that performance is the best that a relatively strong team can muster against a league of Ireland teams reserve squad then it does not bode well for the season ahead.
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Posts: 3,455August 2011 I agree with all of that - except selling Beckford. He isn't suited to being a front man expected to play on his own and hold up play. No way would I sell him - certainly not for the apparently less than £3 Million Leicester bid. Or even their supposed improved bid of £5 Million for that matter! He'll get into double figure again next season and you won't get another player for that money who'll do that!
Not sure about your comment regurading Rodwell's position and how that supposedly makes him unsure and affects his performace either. He hasn't played in many positions for us at all in the last year. If he's played on the right, he knows he's playing on the right. What's the problem?
Overall....I think you're getting a bit carried away reading too much into what the players treated as a training ground exercise. It was a big chance for Garbutt that he failed to take and the likes of Mustafi and Duffy - but to the rest of them, it didn't matter a damn. -
Posts: 239August 2011Beano said:
I agree with all of that - except selling Beckford. He isn't suited to being a front man expected to play on his own and hold up play. No way would I sell him - certainly not for the apparently less than £3 Million Leicester bid. Or even their supposed improved bid of £5 Million for that matter! He'll get into double figure again next season and you won't get another player for that money who'll do that!
Not sure about your comment regurading Rodwell's position and how that supposedly makes him unsure and affects his performace either. He hasn't played in many positions for us at all in the last year. If he's played on the right, he knows he's playing on the right. What's the problem?
Overall....I think you're getting a bit carried away reading too much into what the players treated as a training ground exercise. It was a big chance for Garbutt that he failed to take and the likes of Mustafi and Duffy - but to the rest of them, it didn't matter a damn.
thats what i couldn't understand why it was even arranged in the first instance TBH....ok send a reserve team if it was a commitment....but to put out first teamers coming recently back from injury...seemed a tad (ray wilkins there) risky to me....also if was just for game time ..why not just play the reserves....would have achieved the same outcome !!
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Posts: 3,455August 2011KHL10 said:Beano said:
I agree with all of that - except selling Beckford. He isn't suited to being a front man expected to play on his own and hold up play. No way would I sell him - certainly not for the apparently less than £3 Million Leicester bid. Or even their supposed improved bid of £5 Million for that matter! He'll get into double figure again next season and you won't get another player for that money who'll do that!
Not sure about your comment regurading Rodwell's position and how that supposedly makes him unsure and affects his performace either. He hasn't played in many positions for us at all in the last year. If he's played on the right, he knows he's playing on the right. What's the problem?
Overall....I think you're getting a bit carried away reading too much into what the players treated as a training ground exercise. It was a big chance for Garbutt that he failed to take and the likes of Mustafi and Duffy - but to the rest of them, it didn't matter a damn.
thats what i couldn't understand why it was even arranged in the first instance TBH....ok send a reserve team if it was a commitment....but to put out first teamers coming recently back from injury...seemed a tad (ray wilkins there) risky to me....also if was just for game time ..why not just play the reserves....would have achieved the same outcome !!
I believe Bohemians approached Everton and Tottenham when they saw the fixture being cancelled.
That club are in a huge financial mess and need all the help they can get. They're at the verge of going completely bust. They have no previous relationship with Tottenham - But we helped them!
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Posts: 239August 2011Beano said:KHL10 said:Beano said:
I agree with all of that - except selling Beckford. He isn't suited to being a front man expected to play on his own and hold up play. No way would I sell him - certainly not for the apparently less than £3 Million Leicester bid. Or even their supposed improved bid of £5 Million for that matter! He'll get into double figure again next season and you won't get another player for that money who'll do that!
Not sure about your comment regurading Rodwell's position and how that supposedly makes him unsure and affects his performace either. He hasn't played in many positions for us at all in the last year. If he's played on the right, he knows he's playing on the right. What's the problem?
Overall....I think you're getting a bit carried away reading too much into what the players treated as a training ground exercise. It was a big chance for Garbutt that he failed to take and the likes of Mustafi and Duffy - but to the rest of them, it didn't matter a damn.
thats what i couldn't understand why it was even arranged in the first instance TBH....ok send a reserve team if it was a commitment....but to put out first teamers coming recently back from injury...seemed a tad (ray wilkins there) risky to me....also if was just for game time ..why not just play the reserves....would have achieved the same outcome !!
I believe Bohemians approached Everton and Tottenham when they saw the fixture being cancelled.
That club are in a huge financial mess and need all the help they can get. They're at the verge of going completely bust. They have no previous relationship with Tottenham - But we helped them!
there's the answer then as to why it occurred...still thought it a risk..but on that basis..they obviously had a "no tackle" agreement..which explains why the game went the way it did.... -
Posts: 36August 2011Beano said:
I agree with all of that - except selling Beckford. He isn't suited to being a front man expected to play on his own and hold up play. No way would I sell him - certainly not for the apparently less than £3 Million Leicester bid. Or even their supposed improved bid of £5 Million for that matter! He'll get into double figure again next season and you won't get another player for that money who'll do that!
Not sure about your comment regurading Rodwell's position and how that supposedly makes him unsure and affects his performace either. He hasn't played in many positions for us at all in the last year. If he's played on the right, he knows he's playing on the right. What's the problem?
Overall....I think you're getting a bit carried away reading too much into what the players treated as a training ground exercise. It was a big chance for Garbutt that he failed to take and the likes of Mustafi and Duffy - but to the rest of them, it didn't matter a damn.
I didn't mean it in that way exactly about rodwell. He is disciplined and talented enough to play in any position but looks like he isnt 100% comfortable in any of them. I just think to make that next step he needs to decide what sort of player he wants to be with guidance from the staff around him.
Also I'm not sure that it didn't matter a damn to the first teamers or if thats true i can't see why.
Beckford and anichebe should both be looking to impress the manager. Saha is still first choice as far as i can see.
It may mean nothing to arteta as he seems to be allowed to walk through even premier league games since he signed his new deal but rodwell, ossie, barkley (who looks class) are all trying to get past him and felli in centre mid not to forget tim. In fairness they played well but what worries me is that felli and arteta know that, when fit, they are first choice regardless. I hope that attitude doesnt carry over to the season.
On the result, Bohemians had a lot of their reserve and youth team players on the pitch. The keeper was their 3rd choice and there were a lot of teenagers playing (I know this because the guy beside was like a Bohemians encyclopedia and bored the **** off me). Even without trying the team we had out should have cruised to victory.
Finally, I think the rationale for the match was that QPR's match fitness will have improved after playing bolton and training wont help everton match that. Unfortunately a few players did treat it as a training match but can't believe that is what moyes had in mind.
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Posts: 545August 2011Beano said:
No idea what you were doing Beano but I can say that you weren't watching second half if you missed the three one on ones that Bohs had against Howard.
Anyway training ground routines are no substitute for match fitness/sharpness as any good coach will confirm.
Otherwise Everton would not have been interested...and please don't tell me they did it for Bohs!
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Posts: 3,455August 2011 I didn't say they didn't have ANY chances - but you said they had more chances and better chances than us which they didn't - and 3 1x1's with Howard is still a complete exaggeration!
Wheras We should've been ahead already before beckford's goal after 9 minutes and Mucha had nothing to do in the entire first half except watch what would have been a major fluke go narrowly wide.
2nd half, vic was inches wide, rodwell had one cleared off the line, Vellios had 2 or 3 very good chances, Osman had a 1x1 with their keeper.
As for the way we played the game. 5 days before the season starts for us - there's no big mystery about it like!
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