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Posts: 24,216November 2011 http://thisisfutbol.com/2011/11/blogs/why-david-moyes-and-his-side-deserve-investment
after reading this, if i had the money, i would snap us up in a heart beat.
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Posts: 2,523November 2011 After reading that, I'm thinking whoever wrote that is the best person to sell us to potential investors......
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Posts: 24,216November 2011AndyForsyth said:
After reading that, I'm thinking whoever wrote that is the best person to sell us to potential investors......
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my sentiments exactly mate :)
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Posts: 2,523November 2011 Seriously, I don't think the right person to sell us is an Everton fan or from inside the club. It is someone who has a genuine interest in football without any bias towards us but has that bit of knowledge about the club and can study the game with a balanced view, which this person seems to have.I think if you've got an interest in Everton in one way or another, e.g. a supporter, I think you can OVER-sell the club to someone where you'd get to the point of fabricating a few things which smacks of desperation and that would have the reverse effect to what you wanted.That's my opinion anyway.
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Posts: 2,990November 2011
Two things got city sold to the arabs, the city of manchester stadium being offered to the club and Thaksin Shinawatra having his homeland assets frozen but the government of Thailand.
Salesmen just don't come into it at all.
Its a hard, cold, value based business decision. Nothing more but nothing less, and no amount of bells and whistles will convince a global investor with the best advice money can buy of anything other than the best deal out there.
I realise Andy that having wittnessed every point the BU have tried to put forward shatter in front of your eyes is very disappointing as you clearly held out a lot of hope for them.
But I can assure you that, now your a little bit more clued up regarding non discloser agreements, that Bill Kenwright not being the best person to sell the club is also utter garbage. It just doesn't matter who is selling it. The only thing that matters are the external conditions relating to the clubs financial position, fan base, stadium, catchment area and a will to buy a premier league club.
You can see what the interesting attributes are for investment by the clubs that have been bought so far. Everton don't do well on those fronts, its as simple as that.
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Posts: 305November 2011 Disagree. Most people invest in people. Of course you do the due dilligence but everything has a value therefore if you can sell it right gaining the investors respect and trust in your vision then you will get a deal. Also if you understand the buyers requirements you can make your proposition mor attractive. Take the Qataris they are looking to make a statement and prove they can successfully host 2022 World Cup.
Therefore the need to build a new stadium/sports village will prove attractive because it shows their ablity to build world class facilities and sell the naming rights. Most Clubs in the UK cannot offer this to them unless they look at small clubs like Blackburn but then they have the lack of support to full that stadium. Also well captured in the article is the history, supporter base and squad. Add to this the youth program which again will excite the Qataris with their Aspire in Doha.
Selling is an art especially when it comes to things of passion because business sense and returns normally go out the window.
I strongly believe Everton have not sold because BK take an active role and believes he is the best person for the job. -
Posts: 19,512November 2011 Mattyod, TC, both valid points. I've seen businesses bought because of the people in those companies having the "x" factor, but I've also seen businesses bought because they are sound businesses. So you're both right, from a certain point of view...
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Posts: 1,002November 2011mattyod said:
Disagree. Most people invest in people. Of course you do the due dilligence but everything has a value therefore if you can sell it right gaining the investors respect and trust in your vision then you will get a deal. Also if you understand the buyers requirements you can make your proposition mor attractive. Take the Qataris they are looking to make a statement and prove they can successfully host 2022 World Cup.
Therefore the need to build a new stadium/sports village will prove attractive because it shows their ablity to build world class facilities and sell the naming rights. Most Clubs in the UK cannot offer this to them unless they look at small clubs like Blackburn but then they have the lack of support to full that stadium. Also well captured in the article is the history, supporter base and squad. Add to this the youth program which again will excite the Qataris with their Aspire in Doha.
Selling is an art especially when it comes to things of passion because business sense and returns normally go out the window.
I strongly believe Everton have not sold because BK take an active role and believes he is the best person for the job.-----------------
no point discussin anything with toffeecup, his head is so far up kenrights ****, if he spits its coming out of bills mouth.If kenright cant sell the club before the recession, how the hell have we got 3 or parties interested in us now. all BS.
weve seen from the emails what there plans are to counter the protest. getting cahill to do a "fake" interview, ask gray to big up the club . get the eco to write a positive article (god know they owe us) hahahaha
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Posts: 2,990November 2011mattyod said:
Selling is an art
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This is a self made millionaire you are talking about... a number of them, who have bought and sold more than their fair share of businesses.
I realise fans are desperate to have new and wealthy owners... but that is all they are.
Also, I realise people buying a business are generally buying people. But its unrealistic to compare office space based businesses to a football club. The catchment area has little to do with the clubs board, and the stadium issue effects Evertons business far more than any serviced office space impacts any normal business. Yet both those things have driven the football club deals we've seen thus far...far more than any salesmanship perceived or otherwise.
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Posts: 3,017November 2011tickets11 said:mattyod said:
Disagree. Most people invest in people. Of course you do the due dilligence but everything has a value therefore if you can sell it right gaining the investors respect and trust in your vision then you will get a deal. Also if you understand the buyers requirements you can make your proposition mor attractive. Take the Qataris they are looking to make a statement and prove they can successfully host 2022 World Cup.
Therefore the need to build a new stadium/sports village will prove attractive because it shows their ablity to build world class facilities and sell the naming rights. Most Clubs in the UK cannot offer this to them unless they look at small clubs like Blackburn but then they have the lack of support to full that stadium. Also well captured in the article is the history, supporter base and squad. Add to this the youth program which again will excite the Qataris with their Aspire in Doha.
Selling is an art especially when it comes to things of passion because business sense and returns normally go out the window.
I strongly believe Everton have not sold because BK take an active role and believes he is the best person for the job.-----------------
no point discussin anything with toffeecup, his head is so far up kenrights ****, if he spits its coming out of bills mouth.If kenright cant sell the club before the recession, how the hell have we got 3 or parties interested in us now. all BS.
weve seen from the emails what there plans are to counter the protest. getting cahill to do a "fake" interview, ask gray to big up the club . get the eco to write a positive article (god know they owe us) hahahaha
this ranks alongside the..... "rodwell will never reach his full potential" and the golden...."fellaini will never sign" posts !!!
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Posts: 2,990November 2011 KHL, there is little point in responding and to be honest I feel sorry for him really. It must be horrible living such a petty, bitter and miserable existance.
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Posts: 4,706November 2011ToffeeCup said:
KHL, there is little point in responding and to be honest I feel sorry for him really. It must be horrible living such a petty, bitter and miserable existance.
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Posts: 1,091November 2011sambo applecart said:
http://thisisfutbol.com/2011/11/blogs/why-david-moyes-and-his-side-deserve-investment
after reading this, if i had the money, i would snap us up in a heart beat.-----------------
Poor right up... especially this bit..
'Add to this, the fact that the club are having to sell some of their best players to balance the books (see Mikel Ateta this summer) and you can see why the fans’ frustrations have boiled over.'
This would be the player that we wanted to keep, turned down an offer for and only sold last minute when he slapped in a transfer request... to balance the books apparently.
Sentiment is correct but that was enough for me to stop reading. Have a pop at the board by all means but at least get some factual information behind it.. There is enough actual ammo out there without having to make stuff up.
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Posts: 24,216November 2011OldGoldenVision said:
Not yet, but I could be tempted... whats it like?
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no idea mate, just thought a man with fine tastes such as your self would have given it a whirl!
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