sambo applecart

Posts: 24,216

November 2011

11blue said:

We have to win our next game, its as simple as that. People will argue that we are playing well but not scoring, but scoring goals wins you games and if you can't score goals you won't get anywhere. I don't know if we will win or not be I think we have to, otherwise the fans will start to lose patience with Moyes. I understand that he doesn't have as much money as other managers but I think we have a good squad, but Moyes is not playing to our strengths.

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AGREE! AGREE! AGREE!

ToffeeCup

Posts: 3,044

November 2011

milky71 said:

ToffeeCup said:

milky71 said:

I would be happy if the board announced that they were allowing Moyes to completely overhaul the team and the fans need to back the new squad during this transitional position.

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Its odd but there is reason to expect an upturn in form. Probably best not to mention Manyoo or Arsenal as the 8-2 and 6-1 result probably offer more than enough to say that those two have been inconsistent in a way that is very unusual for those teams.

But if you look at the more reliable stats from this season.

City are top and pretty much absolutely dick everyone in their path thus far, even when they aren't on song they win... top of the league, 5 points clear after 11 games. It took them an awful long time to break us down, they didn't have that many chances and when they did score it was a deflection.

Newcastle are pretty much the form team at home currently and haven't been beaten at home for 8 months. Moyes said we were rubbish. But even then (and granted Newcaslte had a couple of injuries) their manager said Everton might have won, and deserved a draw. Even said we'd have beaten them at Goodison, were denied a clear pen and had the better of the chances during the game and more of them too.

All I'm saying is that the league leaders and the current third placed in form home team in the league currently can both consider themselves lucky to beat us.

I'm saying saying thats worth something. But I am saying it suggest that we'll be heading upwards from here... just as newcastle will be heading downwards.

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I see your point but QPR were bottom of the form table when we lost to them.

Also we are bottom of the form table so by your reckoning we should be losing on a regular basis which we are.

Last year we were undefeated aginst the 5 teams we just lost too which is more concerning.

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I'm glad you see the point but I'm not all that keen on either of yours.

QPR, lots of teams have dodgey results in the first couple of games of the season and that was our first games after spurs was cancelled following the riots. So QPR had had a game already and we were caught cold and to be fair we very unlucky to lose that game. We had 14 shots at goal to their 4.

And obviously, following a string of bad results we aren't going to be doing well in the form table...seriously milky, even by your standards that was poor.



Everton have had every penny on the pitch for the last few seasons.... this is Everton minus the annual 5 million over spend and having cashed arteta in for 10 million on top.... Moyes does well with his cash but to be fair to him he's not enjoying his squad being £15million lighter than he's used too... and I doubt any other manager would do in his position.


Facts are, we can't go on beating man city with the money either side has/hasn't (as united have found out).... but every man and his dog are sing the praises of a team who consider themselves very lucky to have got away with a win at home against an Everton side who should have had a pen, had the best of the chances and were described by their manager as rubbish.

I'm not sure the future is bright.... but its certainly better than this.

ToffeeCup

Posts: 3,044

November 2011

milky71 said:

Shoulda woulda coulda doesn't bring in points.

2-0 down to Newcastle and bringing a CB on can't be seen as anything but bizarre.

Playing no strikers in favour of midfielder who hasn't scored in 2011 has to be seen as bizarre.

Moyes management this season has been far too negative and the results have followed

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You're angry and want to see more attacking football. I get that, but spouting rubbish won't get you it... are you sure you're not a BU member... ?



To be fair to Moyes, at 2-0 down the first thing Moyes needed to do was stop it becoming 3-0... so removing Heitinga from the center of defence was absolutely key. He then went with which ever striker he though might wangle him a goal somehow... and McFadden nearly made it with the curling shot disguised as a cross to the back top corner thing....that only he would think was the sensible option to take... bless his roy of the rovers socks!.

And when he did come on most everton fans expressed supprise that it was McFadden (striker of sorts) and not Billy (left winger) who came on.

The prem is a tough level to play at, and I trust moyes to know which of his strikers can cut it against which opposition.

Everton have suffered from a lack of investment up front, and Moyes has acknowledged that. But lets be honest, its a fairly clear connection between Everton having failed to invest in the one area of the pitch that also happens to be by far and away the most expensive area to invest in.

But I do agree to an extent though. The premier league has become more attack minded this season...and maybe moyes has been caught out a bit thinking back to the times when we often won 1-0 playing 4141.




Looking back, we should have taken the 5mill off west ham when they offered it for yak...although, we'd have got more had he not been so bloody bone idle.

ToffeeCup

Posts: 3,044

November 2011
moysyboy...


Take a look at what we have spent on forwards?

I am, and comparing it to what other premier league clubs have spent on forwards.

I do think Moyes should be more attack minded. But I honestly think he would be if he had a couple who he thought he could rely on.

But in terms of the money spend on them. We spent big on AJ and got it back. We spend big on Yak and didn't. And I think that has cost Moyes.... but in fairness, there just aren't any clubs who spend money on strikers and get it back every time, it just doesn't happen.

ToffeeCup

Posts: 3,044

November 2011

milky71 said:

I have yto agree with moyseyboy here.

Moyes has spent heavily on strikers.

He hasn't addressed other areas i.e RB and RW Coleman can'tplay both.

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Utter waddle, unless you hadn't completed your sentence....'Moyes has spent heavily on striker... compared to nearly all the clubs in the championship'

As the BU (not saying there is a link between you!) like to compare us to spurs.... why not take a look at what they've spent on strikers over the last 10 seasons?



Moyes has spend what he's been allowed to spend, and he done that on the players he could sign. As has been posted elsewhere, players agents are using interest from everton as a validation for their players to other clubs... and its not like pretty much all of them aren't offering more money than us is it?

Seriously, you were happy with the club getting its finances in order milkey....and yet you expect Moyes to be able to do that as well as buy players for any position he needs them in as and when he wants too. Something got to give there and we all know its not going to be the bank.


Its reality most Everton fans have an issue with.... not Moyes.

Anyway, let hope the club gets sold soon... and then we'll see what happens, afterall, it can't go on like this!


I'm hoping it going to be from china (failure is not an option for them, but greater exposer to the european market is a must).... and not Indian, as I suspect that when European protectionism kicks in they are going to get it in the neck.