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"There will always be at least 4 or 5 teams who are not as good"
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,160
    HOWIE8 said:

    milky71 said:

    The chairman doesn't pick the squad and Moyes has the fullsay on transfer activity


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    maybe you misunderstood me or in a roundabout way your agreeing with me?........
    Moyes stuborness, wont change his tactics, dont lose first......
    Kenshite stuborness, believes DM is still the best manager in the world, and will not sell the club at all costs.....

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    That is just complete rubbish. You could spend 300 million on Everton (rubbish stadium and debt) without upgrading McFadden.... we are in a huge financial crisis.... and you're talking about Everton as if Kenwright is fighting investors off with a stick!

    Get a grip of yourself. If you were really rich you might think about it if Liverpool would share but honestly....you'd imagine it will be a good while now before another club gets bought buy that sort of buyer. City lucked out more than most people realise.

    Any investor of less worth would be looking at Newcastle due to their stadium and one club city status.

    I know you love Everton, but that doesn't mean anything to an investor.
  • Daive521
    Posts: 2,517
    Sometimes you have to realise their is another team on the pitch. On saturday Newcastle's two goals were quite unfortunate for us, and we hit post, should've had a penaltie and missed 3 decent chances. Man city are only where they are now cos they've spent £300M on players.
  • HOWIE8
    Posts: 7,954
    ToffeeCup said:

    HOWIE8 said:

    milky71 said:

    The chairman doesn't pick the squad and Moyes has the fullsay on transfer activity


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    maybe you misunderstood me or in a roundabout way your agreeing with me?........
    Moyes stuborness, wont change his tactics, dont lose first......
    Kenshite stuborness, believes DM is still the best manager in the world, and will not sell the club at all costs.....

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    That is just complete rubbish. You could spend 300 million on Everton (rubbish stadium and debt) without upgrading McFadden.... we are in a huge financial crisis.... and you're talking about Everton as if Kenwright is fighting investors off with a stick!

    Get a grip of yourself. If you were really rich you might think about it if Liverpool would share but honestly....you'd imagine it will be a good while now before another club gets bought buy that sort of buyer. City lucked out more than most people realise.

    Any investor of less worth would be looking at Newcastle due to their stadium and one club city status.

    I know you love Everton, but that doesn't mean anything to an investor.


    Your right the BK statement of mine was a little throwaway really, however its been reported and not denied that we are talking to several interested investors only last week when they were trying to play down the Indian link. I was more concerned by the FACT that we are not moving on in arresting the results, no change in formation same results. Yes its been against top opposition, but shudda wudda cudda gets you no points, just ask Wigan, they are saying the same. We have good players here who look and play stale, the manager is stale, listen to his pre and after match talks. If i was a player at EFC, listening to what he's saying i think my confidence would be shot to pieces. And like i say the Chairman says he is still the best manager in the world, one look at him tells you he isnt well......
  • milky71
    Posts: 9,136
    Howie I concur

    Toffeecup i would happily do the job for 60k a year not 60k a week then moan that we are skint
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,160

    I agree, he's not making good viewing at the moment and it is a concern. However, the players will get us some results against the teams coming up and things will improve as will Moyes.

    To be fair to Moyes, do you want him to look happy with the way things have gone of late?


    Fact is, Everton are getting serious stick over the lack of investment and selling players at a time when money in football has never been more important.

    If Moyes left... who would come in. No money, famous for selling players. Which manager would think that it would be a good career move to come and pit their witts against that which David Moyes has managed? I suspect only those who are both desperate to prove themselves and are completely unproven at Prem level. Or Milky....


    Moyes might be a good reason not to watch MotD currently, but the question is... where are we left?
  • milky71
    Posts: 9,136
    We had no money when Moyes arrived and we were in a worse position squad wise.

    We are still a big name in English football.

    I would say at least 10 Prem managers would happily take over at Everton especially for 60k a week
  • HOWIE8
    Posts: 7,954
    ToffeeCup said:


    I agree, he's not making good viewing at the moment and it is a concern. However, the players will get us some results against the teams coming up and things will improve as will Moyes.

    To be fair to Moyes, do you want him to look happy with the way things have gone of late?


    Fact is, Everton are getting serious stick over the lack of investment and selling players at a time when money in football has never been more important.

    If Moyes left... who would come in. No money, famous for selling players. Which manager would think that it would be a good career move to come and pit their witts against that which David Moyes has managed? I suspect only those who are both desperate to prove themselves and are completely unproven at Prem level. Or Milky....


    Moyes might be a good reason not to watch MotD currently, but the question is... where are we left?



    I said it in a post on saturday, Moyes needs help, he needs to go back to his roots of when he was called the up n coming top manager ready to takeover Sir Alex after he goes. Back then he was visiting other top clubs, watching their coaching sessions studying their games and formations. He needs to refreshen himself, football moves on at a pace, sadly he hasnt which has got him in a rut. Hate to say it but Sir Alex reinvents all the time, which is why the team keeps doing well, sure it helps he can have the players he wants, but we have good players also, its only last season we had the best squad weve had under Moyes(his words)......
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,160
    milky71 said:

    We had no money when Moyes arrived and we were in a worse position squad wise.

    We are still a big name in English football.

    I would say at least 10 Prem managers would happily take over at Everton especially for 60k a week


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    Come on milky, pretty much every bit of that is utter twaddle.

    Moyes arrived here as an untested prem manager. He's been here a long time and expectations of Everton and david Moyes have risen in that time. Yes we were worse when he joined but we've also been far better during his reign....its pretty understandable why he'd look a touch **** off from time to time.

    and while you can understand what that comment "we didn't expect to get anything up here" has annoyed a lot of people. I think its more than fair enough to put that comment down to the amount of poor decisions we've got of late.... as if to say....with the sort of guff we've got off the refs of late we knew we'd get sod all at a bouncing st james park.

    Ten premiership managers? ....can you name them?

    65k a week is what Moyes has worked his way up too, he's done that based on results for the money he has spent.He wasn't on it from day one, and no manager walking into goodison will get it either... mainly because no manager commanding that sort of salary would entertain having no money to spend.
  • HOWIE8
    Posts: 7,954
    Sorry TC but that last sentence should be looked at very carefully. Managers these days are no more loyal than the players. 20K a week no money to spend, well if it doesnt work out, it doesnt work out i wont be outta pocket will I.......
    Get real..........
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,160
    HOWIE8 said:

    Sorry TC but that last sentence should be looked at very carefully. Managers these days are no more loyal than the players. 20K a week no money to spend, well if it doesnt work out, it doesnt work out i wont be outta pocket will I.......
    Get real..........


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    Being a prem manager is something a lot of managers can never say about themselves.

    If you could say it about yourself, you might draw the conclusion that if you stepped into Moyes's shoes you could very well do very badly indeed and not be able to call yourself a premier league manager again.

    And Howie, the last sentence was a direct response to Milk and his ten managers would walk into Everton for 60k a week comment.

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