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To all the "Moyes Out" merchants
  • artytango
    Posts: 25
    blue1948 said:

    Simple questions
    What does he do differently now from five years ago ? How do they play now ? Where have we improved ? Are they better to watch ? Should he still be here ? If you were a proud man would you put up with the selling of our best players ? and don't give me the **** about debt ,I read Fulham are in debt to the tune of 98 mill and no one is closing them down
    And one last thing what is Round doing does he have no say or is he as daft


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    Don't mention the debt ??? are you for real ? Kenwright had to beg the banks not to put us out of business last summer and that's a fact from his own mouth ! Fulham have got a Billionaire owner who can guarantee the debt , 

    It's idiots like you who haven't got a clue what is going on who make me laugh .... How old are you ? 11 or 12 ? shouldn't you be doing your homework ?   




  • Warrington Dan
    Posts: 8,848
    artytango said:

    Milky posted a fair thread the other day asking has Moyes got one of the safest jobs in football? And TBH he has and it's a problem. Kenwright has to be cruel to kind. He has to tell Moyes that he needs to buck his ideas up because Moyes has got too comfortable and he's not feeling any pressure to urge him to better. 


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    Have you got the faintest idea how hard David Moyes works for Everton , it's a 24 hour a day job for him , he's got the reputation of being the hardest working manager in the League , he leaves nothing to chance , he prepares for every game in detail and we are the fittest team in the league , our habit of scoring late goals very often , proves that , unfortunately when he's FORCED to sell players that are vital to the club and is not giventhe money to replace them his job gets even harder ... yet he still continues to do his best even though it must seem like bashing his head against a brick wall at times . When he sees schoolboy errors from an established highly paid international like Heitinga costing us the game .... after all his preparation he must have felt like cutting his nuts off , I know I did , 
    It's far too easy to blame Moyes from behind a computer keyboard , 0.0001% of you actually really know how hard his job is and how much effort he puts into it . 
    If the rumoured takeover comes off and he's able to assemble a squad similar to the one who got us to the cup final with enough back up to be able to cover for the injuries that cost us a trophy that year , ie Jags , Arteta and Yak , then maybe he'll get some appreciation that he deserves .. not all these stupid threads doubting his abilities ! Isn't it strange that his only critics in football are fom his own so called fans ? .. usually the same ones that ae so far up Kenwrights back passage they can eat his breakfast for him !!!! :(

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    The squad we had when we got to the FA cup final cut very thin by the end of the season due to a ridiculous amount of injuries. But he got the best out of every player and got them all to play at their best but ever since the away defeat to Bolton last season he's not been then. Albeit it was a very encouraging performance and result against Man City and Chelsea at the end of last season we have not seen enough or even any of it this season. Moyes doesn't seem to have the same passion for the club as he use to and that's very disappointing. His interviews seem to be a bit down hearted the season.

    Saying this I am a fan of Moyes and I want him to stay but he needs a good kick up the backside in order to get him performing again!!!
  • DonMakaveli
    Posts: 705
    Agree Dan - I started to watch the interview after the match on the BBC site and just stopped playing it after about 20 seconds. Completely uninspiring, Moyes looks totally defeated.

    I appreciate what he's done for the club, the same as I appreciate everything that BK has done for the club however it is time for a change, on all fronts.
  • rmercury
    Posts: 74
    im amazed that there are so called supporters saying moyes should go, i am not the only evertonian amazed at his tactics lately but i cant think of any other manager i would want in charge of our club, keep the faith cos we will get thru this, we always do because of our fighting spirit.
  • Warrington Dan
    Posts: 8,848
    rmercury said:

    im amazed that there are so called supporters saying moyes should go, i am not the only evertonian amazed at his tactics lately but i cant think of any other manager i would want in charge of our club, keep the faith cos we will get thru this, we always do because of our fighting spirit.


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    That's the problem Moyes looks like he has lost his fighting spirit. I don't want Moyes out I want him to simply sort his act out because he's very questionable all season. 
  • Irony
    Posts: 150
    I think Moyes has done a fantastic job during his tenure here, unfortunately his recent decisions are costing the club points. His week to week squad selection, his substitutions, and his overall lack of creativity is hurting the club. He needs to be more offensive minded at this point, he obviously needed to replenish his striking options and he hasn't- or maybe he simply couldn't. Moyes did recently say he could have signed Demba Ba during the summer but refused because of his knee.

    I'm sorry but even the signing of Jay Bothroyd would have helped in some way, we have absolutely no depth up front and the lack of goals are costing us.

  • Warrington Dan
    Posts: 8,848
    Our striking options at the moment:
    Saha - No one doubts he's talented but he's so inconsistent and injury prone
    Vellios - Done Okay but he's still very young and learning the ropes
    Stracqualursi - Argentinians bought from the Argentinian league have a habit of taking their time to settle in
    Anichebe - He has the physical side of the game because he's strong and fast but he's not the most technically gifted and he'll never be a goal scorer
    McFadden - Better out wide. Doesn't get enough goals to be a striker
    Cahill - Wasted upfront
    Silva - Out on loan but we have no idea what he'd be like in the prem. But Benfica are rumoured to be interested in him
  • weverett
    Posts: 137
    I'm a little disturbed by this, but I actually agree with Dan.
  • blue1948
    Posts: 376
    artytango said:

    blue1948 said:





    artytango said:

    blue1948 said:

    Simple questions
    What does he do differently now from five years ago ? How do they play now ? Where have we improved ? Are they better to watch ? Should he still be here ? If you were a proud man would you put up with the selling of our best players ? and don't give me the **** about debt ,I read Fulham are in debt to the tune of 98 mill and no one is closing them down
    And one last thing what is Round doing does he have no say or is he as daft


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    Don't mention the debt ??? are you for real ? Kenwright had to beg the banks not to put us out of business last summer and that's a fact from his own mouth ! Fulham have got a Billionaire owner who can guarantee the debt , 

    It's idiots like you who haven't got a clue what is going on who make me laugh .... How old are you ? 11 or 12 ? shouldn't you be doing your homework ?   





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    Well as you asked I am 63 and have probably watched more games than you have had hot dinners
    We must have backers or we wouldn't get the loans
    You can only have it one way - you believe Kenwright about the banks but nothing else he says  seems you are picking and choosing ,not really a good argument  so where was it that made you think I am an idiot or were you looking in the mirror because if you call me an idiot and don't answer the questions I set then who is the fool
    If YOU don't understand them please tell me and I will break the BIG words up for you 


  • xreyuk123
    Posts: 783
    blue1948 said:

    artytango said:

    blue1948 said:





    artytango said:

    blue1948 said:

    Simple questions
    What does he do differently now from five years ago ? How do they play now ? Where have we improved ? Are they better to watch ? Should he still be here ? If you were a proud man would you put up with the selling of our best players ? and don't give me the **** about debt ,I read Fulham are in debt to the tune of 98 mill and no one is closing them down
    And one last thing what is Round doing does he have no say or is he as daft


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    Don't mention the debt ??? are you for real ? Kenwright had to beg the banks not to put us out of business last summer and that's a fact from his own mouth ! Fulham have got a Billionaire owner who can guarantee the debt , 

    It's idiots like you who haven't got a clue what is going on who make me laugh .... How old are you ? 11 or 12 ? shouldn't you be doing your homework ?   





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    Well as you asked I am 63 and have probably watched more games than you have had hot dinners
    We must have backers or we wouldn't get the loans
    You can only have it one way - you believe Kenwright about the banks but nothing else he says  seems you are picking and choosing ,not really a good argument  so where was it that made you think I am an idiot or were you looking in the mirror because if you call me an idiot and don't answer the questions I set then who is the fool
    If YOU don't understand them please tell me and I will break the BIG words up for you 



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    We HAD backers, the point is, the banks are fed up of loaning us money. Mainly because they don't know when/if they'll get it back. They'll give loans to the billionaires because they know there's a much higher chance of getting it back.

  • milky71
    Posts: 8,706
    I really can't agree with the person who started this thread.

    There are loads of managers who could do a better job than Moyes at the moment.

    But they can't if they aren't given the job.

    Moyes was a virtual unknown when he came and if we are lucky another coulddo the same job.

    Moyes got exceptionally lucky that he inherited Rooney who's sale led to us being able todeal in a higher grade market

    Now the funds are gone Moyes simply can't handleit.

    And to be fair i wouldn't trust him spending big either.

  • salpet
    Posts: 79
    artytango said:

    Milky posted a fair thread the other day asking has Moyes got one of the safest jobs in football? And TBH he has and it's a problem. Kenwright has to be cruel to kind. He has to tell Moyes that he needs to buck his ideas up because Moyes has got too comfortable and he's not feeling any pressure to urge him to better. 


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    Have you got the faintest idea how hard David Moyes works for Everton , it's a 24 hour a day job for him , he's got the reputation of being the hardest working manager in the League , he leaves nothing to chance , he prepares for every game in detail and we are the fittest team in the league , our habit of scoring late goals very often , proves that , unfortunately when he's FORCED to sell players that are vital to the club and is not giventhe money to replace them his job gets even harder ... yet he still continues to do his best even though it must seem like bashing his head against a brick wall at times . When he sees schoolboy errors from an established highly paid international like Heitinga costing us the game .... after all his preparation he must have felt like cutting his nuts off , I know I did , 
    It's far too easy to blame Moyes from behind a computer keyboard , 0.0001% of you actually really know how hard his job is and how much effort he puts into it . 
    If the rumoured takeover comes off and he's able to assemble a squad similar to the one who got us to the cup final with enough back up to be able to cover for the injuries that cost us a trophy that year , ie Jags , Arteta and Yak , then maybe he'll get some appreciation that he deserves .. not all these stupid threads doubting his abilities ! Isn't it strange that his only critics in football are fom his own so called fans ? .. usually the same ones that ae so far up Kenwrights back passage they can eat his breakfast for him !!!! :(

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    What a lovely quote. It's nice to hear someone say positive things about David Moyes. Good lad.
  • milky71
    Posts: 8,706
    I could mention that on radio 5 last saturday the commentators often questioned Moyes tactic's

    Mainly As to why Saha plays as a lone striker when most people know it's not working and is not Saha's favoured position.
  • HOWIE8
    Posts: 7,438
    I agree Milky, however Saha's favourite position is sitting at home pretending he's not fit........
  • milky71
    Posts: 8,706
    It's easy to recall good things Moyes has done in the past but they aren't happening now and haven't happened for the past 2 seasons.

    Too many mistakes and lack of positivity are holding us back.

    Neil Warnock said on saturday that plenty of teams have tried to stop Man city playing and still lost so why not attack and enjoy and still lose.

    Moyes has this ethos of avoiding defeat rather than look for a win even against teams like QPR
  • IhateRS
    Posts: 1,091
    artytango said:

    Milky posted a fair thread the other day asking has Moyes got one of the safest jobs in football? And TBH he has and it's a problem. Kenwright has to be cruel to kind. He has to tell Moyes that he needs to buck his ideas up because Moyes has got too comfortable and he's not feeling any pressure to urge him to better. 


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    Have you got the faintest idea how hard David Moyes works for Everton , it's a 24 hour a day job for him , he's got the reputation of being the hardest working manager in the League , he leaves nothing to chance , he prepares for every game in detail and we are the fittest team in the league , our habit of scoring late goals very often , proves that , unfortunately when he's FORCED to sell players that are vital to the club and is not giventhe money to replace them his job gets even harder ... yet he still continues to do his best even though it must seem like bashing his head against a brick wall at times . When he sees schoolboy errors from an established highly paid international like Heitinga costing us the game .... after all his preparation he must have felt like cutting his nuts off , I know I did , 
    It's far too easy to blame Moyes from behind a computer keyboard , 0.0001% of you actually really know how hard his job is and how much effort he puts into it . 
    If the rumoured takeover comes off and he's able to assemble a squad similar to the one who got us to the cup final with enough back up to be able to cover for the injuries that cost us a trophy that year , ie Jags , Arteta and Yak , then maybe he'll get some appreciation that he deserves .. not all these stupid threads doubting his abilities ! Isn't it strange that his only critics in football are fom his own so called fans ? .. usually the same ones that ae so far up Kenwrights back passage they can eat his breakfast for him !!!! :(

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    Agree with this except the Heittinga thing, he had to try to get something on it because Howard doesn't shout so as far as he is aware thats going straight across the box, Tim at fault for the goal imo.
  • AllAroundMyHat
    Posts: 771
    `he prepares for every game in detail. well he isnt preparing very well is he.

    Its pretty simple for me. No one can deny what he has done for EFC. No one. He has been fantastic but you have to feel he`s lost his way. Negative tactics, strange team selection and unreal sub decisions ( taking Louis off when we needed a goal V Man U really dumbfounded me).  He cant get the best out the players anymore. Whereas before he could.

    Im gonna leave my final judgment till after teh Wolves game coz I dont believe theres any excuse not to win this game at home. i could put my foot thru the screen if I hear DM say `could,should or would have won if....`
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,108

    I don't want Moyes out I want him to sort his act out!


    Not good enough at the moment!!!

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    Well said amigo :)
  • pat74
    Posts: 330
    in Moyes we trust.  Its not his fault, that we have the smallest squad in the league.  The board are to blame for this mess and the players need to up thier performances, big time!!!!!! Are ye reading, Mr Osman, Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Saha.  Too many players not giving there all for the shirt, they should be ashamed.!!!!!!  Should have got at least a point at Newcastle, wasted our chances....
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,668
    pat74 said:

    in Moyes we trust.  Its not his fault, that we have the smallest squad in the league.  The board are to blame for this mess and the players need to up thier performances, big time!!!!!! Are ye reading, Mr Osman, Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Saha.  Too many players not giving there all for the shirt, they should be ashamed.!!!!!!  Should have got at least a point at Newcastle, wasted our chances....


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    I agree, its Kenwright's fault Moyes continues to play 4 5 1 at home to poor teams................

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