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Posts: 307October 2011
milky71 said:Pardew is the man of the moment
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Christ Almighty!Why don't you just go buy Carroll for £35mil.......Coyle and Holloway were the men of the moment last year, where do they stand now? After 9 games you're gonna blow your load over Pardew. -
Posts: 1,091October 2011 Why doesn't Lambert finish above us every year?
For me I would only swap him for a manager who has acheived more with nothing... or no one as that works out.
Whilst he is challenging for Europe on a budget that would make a 3rd division team upset then he should stay. Whilst he is still generating a team that can put up a fight against the big boys with no budget he gets my vote, especially playing the good football we did as well.
If he had to go I would say Brown, Pardew, Coyle are all managers who have spent money and not finished above the team Moyes has created and subsequently fields so clearly they should take over in his place because er... emm.. why again Milky ?
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Posts: 8,784November 2011 not sure where said wanted pardew.
And as far as the rest you can only judge them after they have managed us.
Hodgson did wonders at Fulham but couldn't replicate it at Liverpool.
Where as Pardew was sacked from West Ham and Southampton yet is doing a sterling job at Newcastle.
Moyes has done well with a very high budget
Breaking the club record 3 times on transfers.
Yet we have no silverware and a 7th and 8th finish in our last 2 seasons.
For a manager on a top 4 salary thats not good enough. -
Posts: 1,091November 2011milky71 said:
not sure where said wanted pardew.
And as far as the rest you can only judge them after they have managed us.
Hodgson did wonders at Fulham but couldn't replicate it at Liverpool.
Where as Pardew was sacked from West Ham and Southampton yet is doing a sterling job at Newcastle.
Moyes has done well with a very high budget
Breaking the club record 3 times on transfers.
Yet we have no silverware and a 7th and 8th finish in our last 2 seasons.
For a manager on a top 4 salary thats not good enough.-----------------
Don't be daft Milky, even you must be able to see how stupid that comment is.
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Posts: 776November 2011 Theres no doubt that Dm has done a great job for us. Kept us afloat and used his skill to buy low and sell high. But i seriously doubt he can take us to that next level now. Im not convinced even if we had millions he could take us there.
His tactics are just so defensive. None of the top teams adopt this approach.
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Posts: 8,784November 2011IhateRS said:milky71 said:
not sure where said wanted pardew.
And as far as the rest you can only judge them after they have managed us.
Hodgson did wonders at Fulham but couldn't replicate it at Liverpool.
Where as Pardew was sacked from West Ham and Southampton yet is doing a sterling job at Newcastle.
Moyes has done well with a very high budget
Breaking the club record 3 times on transfers.
Yet we have no silverware and a 7th and 8th finish in our last 2 seasons.
For a manager on a top 4 salary thats not good enough.-----------------
Don't be daft Milky, even you must be able to see how stupid that comment is.
He has spent close to 150 million.
In anyones eyes thats alot of money. -
Posts: 4,706November 2011milky71 said:IhateRS said:milky71 said:
not sure where said wanted pardew.
And as far as the rest you can only judge them after they have managed us.
Hodgson did wonders at Fulham but couldn't replicate it at Liverpool.
Where as Pardew was sacked from West Ham and Southampton yet is doing a sterling job at Newcastle.
Moyes has done well with a very high budget
Breaking the club record 3 times on transfers.
Yet we have no silverware and a 7th and 8th finish in our last 2 seasons.
For a manager on a top 4 salary thats not good enough.-----------------
Don't be daft Milky, even you must be able to see how stupid that comment is.
He has spent close to 150 million.
In anyones eyes thats alot of money.-----------------
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2003-2011.html not far off the 10yrs he has been here...not quite 150mil there Milks.... -
Posts: 1,091November 2011 No mate looks more like £7,450,500 to me looking at Zagans link
If you buy someone for 10 pounds
Sell him for 15 pounds
Buy someone else for 5 pounds
You have spent nothing, not 15 pounds.
All that would say else is that people who buy and sell lots of players spend lots of money despite ending up with the same value of player, to judge anything by that is nonesence.
If you bought only Messi to your club at 100mil, would you of spent less than someone who started with 15 players in their squad worth 2mil, bought and sold 60 x 2 million pound players to finish with a squad of 15 players worth 2mil?... no of course not, you would be evens on one and 100mil down on the other.
To ignore the players sold when considering what he has had to spend is nothing short of daft...
Also you can clearly see his budget has been less than 1mil a season and yet you expect him with a net budget over 10 years of 7.5mil to rival City who under the Sheiks alone have spent over £650mil... Moyes clearly has had a very small budget.
You can add up what he has spent if you like pretending he hasn't sold to get that money.. in which case I would suggest playing Rooney up front with Johnson, Arteta, Pienaar, Barkley, Fellaini in midfield etc because we clearly havn't sold them as Moyes has just been spending with his big budget he has.
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Posts: 4,706November 2011IhateRS said:
No mate looks more like £7,450,500 to me looking at Zagans link
If you buy someone for 10 pounds
Sell him for 15 pounds
Buy someone else for 5 pounds
You have spent nothing, not 15 pounds.
All that would say else is that people who buy and sell lots of players spend lots of money despite ending up with the same value of player, to judge anything by that is nonesence.
If you bought only Messi to your club at 100mil, would you of spent less than someone who started with 15 players in their squad worth 2mil, bought and sold 60 x 2 million pound players to finish with a squad of 15 players worth 2mil?... no of course not, you would be evens on one and 100mil down on the other.
To ignore the players sold when considering what he has had to spend is nothing short of daft...
Also you can clearly see his budget has been less than 1mil a season and yet you expect him with a net budget over 10 years of 7.5mil to rival City who under the Sheiks alone have spent over £650mil... Moyes clearly has had a very small budget.
You can add up what he has spent if you like pretending he hasn't sold to get that money.. in which case I would suggest playing Rooney up front with Johnson, Arteta, Pienaar, Barkley, Fellaini in midfield etc because we clearly havn't sold them as Moyes has just been spending with his big budget he has.-----------------
^^^^ This, very much so.Cheers for putting it to simple terms for Milky, I know he will appreciate it.....I couldn't be @$$ed too lol -
Posts: 307November 2011zagan said:milky71 said:
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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2003-2011.html not far off the 10yrs he has been here...not quite 150mil there Milks....-----------------
Some very interesting facts there. All the little DM haters would want to take a look at that table. No mention of wages neither, which would surely send us down the table further.
Yes, over the years he has made some big signings, broke the record 3 times someone mentioned, but most of these were after we lost big players for record fees!
Yes, some of them signings were, in hindsight, poor. But he bought several diamonds for many premiership players weekly wage!
Yes, we have had a bad run of games but these were against the heavy hitters. NO money spent over the last 2 years! How can you build a team on loan signings? Anyone tell me?
Nearly 10 years at the club and only one season fighting relegation. There's either a lot of young people on here or people with short memories. Anyone remember the season after season battles for 17th? Suppose grass is always greener for some people.
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Posts: 8,784November 2011 Blah de balh to the lot of you.
He has spent aload
And theres still the fact that he is on a top 4 wage with no pressure to achieve anything.
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Posts: 4,706November 2011milky71 said:
Blah de balh to the lot of you.
He has spent aload
And theres still the fact that he is on a top 4 wage with no pressure to achieve anything.
End of convo.-----------------
Kiss it....not end of convo because you have a tooth pick of a banning stick....its there in pixel, black & white......he aint spent jack compared to most in the prem, and you know it.....Don't want to flog a horse when it's down, but sorry mate...... WHIP WHIP -
Posts: 1,091November 2011zagan said:milky71 said:
Blah de balh to the lot of you.
He has spent aload
And theres still the fact that he is on a top 4 wage with no pressure to achieve anything.
End of convo.-----------------
Kiss it....not end of convo because you have a tooth pick of a banning stick....its there in pixel, black & white......he aint spent jack compared to most in the prem, and you know it.....Don't want to flog a horse when it's down, but sorry mate...... WHIP WHIP-----------------
Quite, its not end of conversation, its the end of pointless digs about someone who turned us around.
Two sentences that contradict each other...
1. The fact is the board have given Moyes less than 10mil to spend on players in his decade here.. However the value of our team has grown by 50mil easily..
2. These little teams we get so frustrated about not beating... that was
us back when Moyes took over.. There was no thinking that we should win this next one,
every game was a battle to survive. We were in the s**t every single year and now not achieving Europe is a disaster..
How is this possible.. As a great big-eared pretend character is keen in saying...
If you take away the impossible, the only thing that remains no matter how improbable must be the truth.. The truth that is left in this case is that Moyes is a great manager and has changed us around almost single handedly with great buys, better sells and some decent tactics (not always.. but more often than many).
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Posts: 8,784November 2011 Where are the contradictions.
Can someone do a list of players that Moyes has bought and sold for a profit.
And then one of which he has bought and sold for a loss
Could be interesting.
I do concur with some of Ihaters responses as well -
Posts: 1,091November 2011milky71 said:
Where are the contradictions.
Can someone do a list of players that Moyes has bought and sold for a
profit.
And then one of which he has bought and sold for a loss
Could be interesting.
I do concur with some of Ihaters responses as well-----------------
The contradiction is Moyes has had the net spend of a championship club but has
finished fighting for europe most seasons.
ps. The near decade shown on that sheet doesn't mention that a lot of those teams below us in the net spend chart were not in the premiership for several of those years, years in which they would of continued to buy and sell which would of added to their buying in the net spend section, possibly raising or lower the net spend according to the business they actually did.
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Posts: 1,091November 2011 Okay lets put it as a question...
How can a team wallowing in relegation quagmire, have a net spend less than most yet become european challengers, 4th spot finishers, european qualifiers several times, FA cup finalist if we have such a bad manager?
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Posts: 4,706November 2011IhateRS said:
Okay lets put it as a question...
How can a team wallowing in relegation quagmire, have a net spend less than most yet become european challengers, 4th spot finishers, european qualifiers several times, FA cup finalist if we have such a bad manager?-----------------
I think Milky will answer this with -"We have been punching above our weight and we have just been lucky.......Nothing to do with Moyes.....MOYES OUT, FELLI OUT....."Gah.....
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