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creativity
  • cjohno
    Posts: 5,123
    we got none, we can moan and gripe about formations and our strikers, but it doesnt matter when you havent got that quality in final third, we lost our only creative players in piennar and arteta and not replaced them. im pretty certain with piennar and arteta we would of won comfortably yesterday, coleman played well but got no end product, we need to buy a quality ball player or things will be the same. i dont like 4-5-1 but 4-4-2 wont make any difference if you got nobody to provide quality service
  • milky71
    Posts: 8,769
    Bily is creative if played in the right position.

    But we missed Drenthe'space yesterday
  • evertonmarc
    Posts: 229
    players with creativity need other plays to make space and move off the ball though, and we dont even have much of that :(
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,509
    we are pretty static. united's movement first half was exceptional.
  • Richard Keys
    Posts: 824
    OldGoldenVision said:

    we are pretty static. united's movement first half was exceptional.


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    Pretty cack as well

    I don't lay all the blame on Moyes doorstep though its the fat puff we have as chairman he must take the brunt of it.

    Forget about the BU for a minute and look at where we are going now.
  • Ivdlit
    Posts: 2,039
    I see Drenthe as a replacement for Pienaar. You're right about Arteta though, but we'll bring in some good quality eventually. HAVE a tiny lil bit FAITH in these times.
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,669
    cjohno said:

    we got none, we can moan and gripe about formations and our strikers, but it doesnt matter when you havent got that quality in final third, we lost our only creative players in piennar and arteta and not replaced them. im pretty certain with piennar and arteta we would of won comfortably yesterday, coleman played well but got no end product, we need to buy a quality ball player or things will be the same. i dont like 4-5-1 but 4-4-2 wont make any difference if you got nobody to provide quality service


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    But what is the point is complaining about creativity when your striker makes no movement and spends most of the game on the wing? I see what your saying but when players like Coleman or Barkley got the ball yesterday they looked up and they couldn't see anyone wanting the ball or moving around. I also think Drenthe could have made a difference yesterday. 
  • cjohno
    Posts: 5,123
    11blue said:

    cjohno said:

    we got none, we can moan and gripe about formations and our strikers, but it doesnt matter when you havent got that quality in final third, we lost our only creative players in piennar and arteta and not replaced them. im pretty certain with piennar and arteta we would of won comfortably yesterday, coleman played well but got no end product, we need to buy a quality ball player or things will be the same. i dont like 4-5-1 but 4-4-2 wont make any difference if you got nobody to provide quality service


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    But what is the point is complaining about creativity when your striker makes no movement and spends most of the game on the wing? I see what your saying but when players like Coleman or Barkley got the ball yesterday they looked up and they couldn't see anyone wanting the ball or moving around. I also think Drenthe could have made a difference yesterday. 

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    sahas probably drifting around looking for the ball, when have we ever had a striker under moyes who just sits in the box, reason yakubu etc wasnt happy moyes wants his strikers to work all over the park, saha is no difference, vellios was always available when he came on, look at our set pieces and corners the service into the box was dreadful looks like baines has taken over from arteta at corners by constantly hitting the first man
  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,669
    cjohno said:

    11blue said:

    cjohno said:

    we got none, we can moan and gripe about formations and our strikers, but it doesnt matter when you havent got that quality in final third, we lost our only creative players in piennar and arteta and not replaced them. im pretty certain with piennar and arteta we would of won comfortably yesterday, coleman played well but got no end product, we need to buy a quality ball player or things will be the same. i dont like 4-5-1 but 4-4-2 wont make any difference if you got nobody to provide quality service


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    But what is the point is complaining about creativity when your striker makes no movement and spends most of the game on the wing? I see what your saying but when players like Coleman or Barkley got the ball yesterday they looked up and they couldn't see anyone wanting the ball or moving around. I also think Drenthe could have made a difference yesterday. 

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    sahas probably drifting around looking for the ball, when have we ever had a striker under moyes who just sits in the box, reason yakubu etc wasnt happy moyes wants his strikers to work all over the park, saha is no difference, vellios was always available when he came on, look at our set pieces and corners the service into the box was dreadful looks like baines has taken over from arteta at corners by constantly hitting the first man

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    If I was DM I would tell Saha to just stay in the box and score goals, there is no need for him to be sitting so deep. Beckford used to have good movement and he used to like the ball played in front of him, and that's why he scored 10 goals for us even though he played less than Saha. And I agree Baines's corners were not as good as usual yesterday, and Arteta's corners were awful!
  • cjohno
    Posts: 5,123
    11blue said:

    cjohno said:

    11blue said:

    cjohno said:

    we got none, we can moan and gripe about formations and our strikers, but it doesnt matter when you havent got that quality in final third, we lost our only creative players in piennar and arteta and not replaced them. im pretty certain with piennar and arteta we would of won comfortably yesterday, coleman played well but got no end product, we need to buy a quality ball player or things will be the same. i dont like 4-5-1 but 4-4-2 wont make any difference if you got nobody to provide quality service


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    But what is the point is complaining about creativity when your striker makes no movement and spends most of the game on the wing? I see what your saying but when players like Coleman or Barkley got the ball yesterday they looked up and they couldn't see anyone wanting the ball or moving around. I also think Drenthe could have made a difference yesterday. 

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    sahas probably drifting around looking for the ball, when have we ever had a striker under moyes who just sits in the box, reason yakubu etc wasnt happy moyes wants his strikers to work all over the park, saha is no difference, vellios was always available when he came on, look at our set pieces and corners the service into the box was dreadful looks like baines has taken over from arteta at corners by constantly hitting the first man

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    If I was DM I would tell Saha to just stay in the box and score goals, there is no need for him to be sitting so deep. Beckford used to have good movement and he used to like the ball played in front of him, and that's why he scored 10 goals for us even though he played less than Saha. And I agree Baines's corners were not as good as usual yesterday, and Arteta's corners were awful!

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    i would tell saha to stay in box as would you, but as i said moyes likes his strikers hassling there defenders rather than the defenders worrying about our strikers, moyes worries to much about there defenders having time on the ball

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