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boxing is rigged
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Posts: 3,006October 2011 Thing is though that everything he says is about hype, hot air, and putting more money in his pocket.
He'll have one more fight... which he'll come out of retirement for. For an added premium... and his losers purse.
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Posts: 2,035October 2011 Fazakerly rite TC. For me he was one of the worst Heavyweight Champs in history beat Andre the Giant, Audrey Hepburn or whatever her name was and a fast fading Ruiz as soon as he got in the ring with someone decent he had an ingrown toenail and could not move or summit,.
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Posts: 24,216October 2011ToffeeCup said:
He is/was awful.-----------------
As a heavyweight yes, you can pick holes in what he achieved. As a cruiserweight he was quality, did it the hard way, went to france to rip the titles off Jean-Marc Mormek, he never shirked going abroad to fight and plenty of boxers wont do that cos they know what the outcome would be on a points decision etc...... -
Posts: 5,175October 2011 not good enough or big enough for heavyweight klichko will rape him time and again, all he can hope for is another payday and with the heavyweight division so poor he may get it eventually, sums up division when you got really pisssssssss poor fighters like tyson fury wanting to fight for title, hes a total shambles.
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Posts: 3,006October 2011sambo applecart said:ToffeeCup said:
He is/was awful.-----------------
As a heavyweight yes, you can pick holes in what he achieved. As a cruiserweight he was quality, did it the hard way, went to france to rip the titles off Jean-Marc Mormek, he never shirked going abroad to fight and plenty of boxers wont do that cos they know what the outcome would be on a points decision etc......-----------------
He's retired... he fight again and when he does he'll take a premium on his TV share for doing so... along with his losing purse. And all the pre match hype will be about him coming back for one last fight, etc. Just utter guff.
He, and his ilk, are the reason why boxing matches resemble some sort of yank wrestling nonsense. Which in all fairness you probably like too. -
Posts: 24,216October 2011ToffeeCup said:sambo applecart said:ToffeeCup said:
He is/was awful.-----------------
As a heavyweight yes, you can pick holes in what he achieved. As a cruiserweight he was quality, did it the hard way, went to france to rip the titles off Jean-Marc Mormek, he never shirked going abroad to fight and plenty of boxers wont do that cos they know what the outcome would be on a points decision etc......-----------------
He's retired... he fight again and when he does he'll take a premium on his TV share for doing so... along with his losing purse. And all the pre match hype will be about him coming back for one last fight, etc. Just utter guff.
He, and his ilk, are the reason why boxing matches resemble some sort of yank wrestling nonsense. Which in all fairness you probably like too.-----------------
Whats your point mate?? All i've done is point out that he had a great cruiserweight record, and imo he was just too small to be a heavyweight with the size of a lot of the heavyweights today.Ho worked his way up, did it the hard way and got his pay days cos of it. Boxers have a shelf life so they have to make money whilst they can.Whether i like american wrestling or not, has nothing to do with Haye having a quality cruiserweight record. -
Posts: 24,216October 2011cjohno said:
not good enough or big enough for heavyweight klichko will rape him time and again, all he can hope for is another payday and with the heavyweight division so poor he may get it eventually, sums up division when you got really pisssssssss poor fighters like tyson fury wanting to fight for title, hes a total shambles.
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Fury is improving all the time mate, there isnt a lot of quality heavyweights around i agree, he's far from a shambles and he is trying to take on fighters who have unbeaten records like himself, and work his way up through the rankings. He's only had 16ish fights, you think thats going to be the finished article?? -
Posts: 2,035October 2011 He is a street fighter imo has not got wat it takes to make it at the top could be proved wrong, I would like David Price to have a few more fights then but Fury in his place.
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Posts: 3,006October 2011sambo applecart said:ToffeeCup said:sambo applecart said:ToffeeCup said:
He is/was awful.-----------------
As a heavyweight yes, you can pick holes in what he achieved. As a cruiserweight he was quality, did it the hard way, went to france to rip the titles off Jean-Marc Mormek, he never shirked going abroad to fight and plenty of boxers wont do that cos they know what the outcome would be on a points decision etc......-----------------
He's retired... he fight again and when he does he'll take a premium on his TV share for doing so... along with his losing purse. And all the pre match hype will be about him coming back for one last fight, etc. Just utter guff.
He, and his ilk, are the reason why boxing matches resemble some sort of yank wrestling nonsense. Which in all fairness you probably like too.-----------------
Whats your point mate?? All i've done is point out that he had a great cruiserweight record, and imo he was just too small to be a heavyweight with the size of a lot of the heavyweights today.Ho worked his way up, did it the hard way and got his pay days cos of it. Boxers have a shelf life so they have to make money whilst they can.Whether i like american wrestling or not, has nothing to do with Haye having a quality cruiserweight record.-----------------
I'll leave the wrestling point there, I can see you've got an issue with it.
My point was very clear from the onset.
He says he's retired, but you know he'll do one more fight. You know he'll lose it too and you also know he'll get more money out of the TV deal giving it the big'un about coming out of retirement for it. Its just so predicable, which is pretty much why boxing is in the state it is.
Its more panto really, which in fairness...actually, lets not go there again.
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Posts: 24,216October 2011Yobowannabe said:
He is a street fighter imo has not got wat it takes to make it at the top could be proved wrong, I would like David Price to have a few more fights then but Fury in his place.
Price beat him in the amatuers but Fury put him down, could be an interesting one that mate, both improving all the time, would make a decent contest i think! -
Posts: 24,216October 2011ToffeeCup said:sambo applecart said:ToffeeCup said:sambo applecart said:ToffeeCup said:
He is/was awful.-----------------
As a heavyweight yes, you can pick holes in what he achieved. As a cruiserweight he was quality, did it the hard way, went to france to rip the titles off Jean-Marc Mormek, he never shirked going abroad to fight and plenty of boxers wont do that cos they know what the outcome would be on a points decision etc......-----------------
He's retired... he fight again and when he does he'll take a premium on his TV share for doing so... along with his losing purse. And all the pre match hype will be about him coming back for one last fight, etc. Just utter guff.
He, and his ilk, are the reason why boxing matches resemble some sort of yank wrestling nonsense. Which in all fairness you probably like too.-----------------
Whats your point mate?? All i've done is point out that he had a great cruiserweight record, and imo he was just too small to be a heavyweight with the size of a lot of the heavyweights today.Ho worked his way up, did it the hard way and got his pay days cos of it. Boxers have a shelf life so they have to make money whilst they can.Whether i like american wrestling or not, has nothing to do with Haye having a quality cruiserweight record.-----------------
I'll leave the wrestling point there, I can see you've got an issue with it.
My point was very clear from the onset.
He says he's retired, but you know he'll do one more fight. You know he'll lose it too and you also know he'll get more money out of the TV deal giving it the big'un about coming out of retirement for it. Its just so predicable, which is pretty much why boxing is in the state it is.
Its more panto really, which in fairness...actually, lets not go there again.Using his noggin isnt he. Say he's retiring, Vitali knows theres more money in fighting Haye and going 50/50 split than there is in beating Bob Brown the potato picker from Ireland and taking most of the purse. Surely Haye just using his business sense to get the best deal possible if he is going to get beaten again, you may aswell get paid well for it hadnt you??If it were me, i'd be happier getting 15million for a hiding than 5 million thats for sure. -
Posts: 3,006October 2011
I'm not saying he, personally, is wrong in doing it as that is what he, personally, is doing it for.
I'm just saying that its stuff like that that turns people off boxing.
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Posts: 24,216October 2011ToffeeCup said:
I'm not saying he, personally, is wrong in doing it as that is what he, personally, is doing it for.
I'm just saying that its stuff like that that turns people off boxing.I agree mate.Also the same principal with footballers though when they want better contract, threatening to play for other teams, or leave for nothing when their etc.Its a money world, and peopel do what they can to make as much money as they can, and for the likes of yourself and i, it makes us sick cos we just want to see sport played and things like money etc done in a proper professional way, and probably not in the public limelight. I might be wrong though. -
Posts: 2,312October 2011 theres just no reason why he`d wanna quit when the best boxer in all of history wanna fight him.
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Posts: 3,006October 2011
Yes and no. There are cricketers now who make top dollar. But they remember its cricket that they are playing and they can still fit in with that and make the money too.
Rugby players too, although ours seem to be following in the footsteps of some of our football players.
But boxing is another thing entirely. Yes is about show boating on occasion, but not like this. Not talking about things like rape in pre match interviews, and the like.
I remember him urging the public to go easy on Audley Harrison... Looking back, its probably because he knows he'll be out there in a years time, taking his cash and not landing a single punch.
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Posts: 2,312October 2011Yobowannabe said:
Ali wants a comeback fight with him?
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come on dude, ali got brain damage from all the legal drugs he tuck -
Posts: 7,570October 2011 The problem lies in the Heavyweight division, and has been for a while. There is just no quality, all the fights are about hype, a circus, an advertisers dream(Sky). Thye other divisions do it, but the fighting quality is there, people who buy the hype in the Heavyweight division is where the other problem lies. So in a nutshell, the Heavyweight division is NO QUALITY and GULIBLE PUNTERS.........
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