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'Everton 'can't compete without new stadium'
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,430
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15051909.stm

    "Former Everton chief executive Trevor Birch has said the club will never compete at the very top of the Premier League unless they build a new stadium.
    Birch said manager David Moyes was performing "nothing short of a miracle" with limited finances.He pointed to Everton's £20m matchday revenue over a season compared to Manchester United's £100m."He is armed for hand-to-hand conflict and he is competing against armoured artillery", Birch said...
    "When someone looks at Everton and says they want to buy [the club] the first thing they have to do is look at building that stadium. A stadium costs £300-£400m. Who is going to make that investment?"Basically they are buying a club that has incured losses of £30m over the last five years. So you are not going to make any money and have to build a stadium.""
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 20,151
    Interesting to consider this in light of Wengers comments. If attendances are dropping then is a new stadium a priority?
     40k seats is respectable! Stamford Bridge, Villa Park and that cattle shed over the park aint much bigger.

  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,430
    "is a new stadium a priority?"

    yes, for anyone considering buying the club. i'm not even sure that goodison meets modern safety standards anymore.
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,160

    Its a big priority. Any investor would bring investment on the pitch. I suspect that Mr Mancini isn't having the same trouble Mr Wenger is with attendances.

    But the corporate side is huge too financially. And on that front Everton are just miles behind.


    These BU shower won't want to hear it.

    But currently, the biggest thing Everton has going for it in terms of finding a top notch investor is the opportunity to build an absolute show stopping, world class stadium with Liverpool sharing the costs.
  • Snowcone
    Posts: 7,543
    ToffeeCup said:


    Its a big priority. Any investor would bring investment on the pitch. I suspect that Mr Mancini isn't having the same trouble Mr Wenger is with attendances.

    But the corporate side is huge too financially. And on that front Everton are just miles behind.


    These BU shower won't want to hear it.

    But currently, the biggest thing Everton has going for it in terms of finding a top notch investor is the opportunity to build an absolute show stopping, world class stadium with Liverpool sharing the costs.


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    Fully agree but when you have people who refuse to drive a red car, or eat tomatoes etc. Its gonna be hard to win  them over. It is the only sensible option for both clubs at the moment. When you think about it, the average football fan is really rather stupid.
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,160


    Can understand it being difficult locally. And relations have certainly soured, not just after the ban but also with that issue set against the hard reality of the business football has become in the last ten years.

    I mean, can you imagine anything sounding more foreign to Everton in the 80's than a basket ball player buying a stake in your club being seen as making sense from a global marketing perspective...



    Man City have shown people what is possible on the pitch... and Evertons real problem for an investor is the stadium. You'd also argue that Liverpool's current owners picked the club up at a very good price as all they did was take an asset off the bank in return for buying the debt. So they could see this as an excellent situation to capitalise on too as it would pretty much establish an successful exit route for them as and when they wanted. Theirs for the taking.

    They've been making noises about it too. king kenny has spoken in favour of it, even if one of their owners expressed an opinion that the fans wouldn't accept it. I'm sure they want it behind closed doors.

    Could really be a state of the art affair too. And you can't see a financial outlook more conducive to both sets of fans just accepting it for the greater good either.

    To be fair, if you were looking at buying a premier league club currently in the man city type of big investment for long term gain type affair. If you looked at Everton the first person you would pick up the phone to would be John W Henry.

     
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 20,151
    I await tickets' input on the feasibility of a shared stadium as he knows much more about these things than I do.  :-??
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,753
    Snowcone said:

    ToffeeCup said:


    Its a big priority. Any investor would bring investment on the pitch. I suspect that Mr Mancini isn't having the same trouble Mr Wenger is with attendances.

    But the corporate side is huge too financially. And on that front Everton are just miles behind.


    These BU shower won't want to hear it.

    But currently, the biggest thing Everton has going for it in terms of finding a top notch investor is the opportunity to build an absolute show stopping, world class stadium with Liverpool sharing the costs.


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    Fully agree but when you have people who refuse to drive a red car, or eat tomatoes etc. Its gonna be hard to win  them over. It is the only sensible option for both clubs at the moment. When you think about it, the average football fan is really rather stupid.




    i agree mate, its a hard pill to swallow but i think its probably for the best all round...
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,753
    OldGoldenVision said:

    I await tickets' input on the feasibility of a shared stadium as he knows much more about these things than I do.  :-??






    tickets will say that liverpool will want 93% of the deal with the other 7% going to us
  • WoodsyEFC
    Posts: 131
    I'd rather just have Goodison renovated to be honest; I wouldn't mind playing elsewhere for half a season, or a season.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,753
    WoodsyEFC said:

    I'd rather just have Goodison renovated to be honest; I wouldn't mind playing elsewhere for half a season, or a season.





    who';s going to pay for the renovation......and theres a nice grassy area inbetween goodison and anfield we could play there??
  • mrbluechief
    Posts: 133
    sambo applecart said:

    WoodsyEFC said:

    I'd rather just have Goodison renovated to be honest; I wouldn't mind playing elsewhere for half a season, or a season.








    who';s going to pay for the renovation......and theres a nice grassy area inbetween goodison and anfield we could play there??





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    jumpers for goalposts too

    :D
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,753
    mrbluechief said:

    sambo applecart said:

    WoodsyEFC said:

    I'd rather just have Goodison renovated to be honest; I wouldn't mind playing elsewhere for half a season, or a season.








    who';s going to pay for the renovation......and theres a nice grassy area inbetween goodison and anfield we could play there??





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    jumpers for goalposts too

    :D




    hahahahaahahahahaa!
  • bluewookie
    Posts: 137
    Knoxy2001e said:

    "is a new stadium a priority?"


    yes, for anyone considering buying the club. i'm not even sure that goodison meets modern safety standards anymore.

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    it does, otherwise the HSE would have shut it down yonks ago. If Duty of care was ever breached, Kenwright would get slammed.
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 20,151
    I think we should relocate to Ireland.
  • IhateRS
    Posts: 1,094
    Since we can't fill Goodison, would a new stadium really make us the next United?
  • bluewookie
    Posts: 137

    IhateRS said:

    Since we can't fill Goodison, would a new stadium really make us the next United?


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    Attendances are dropping because football is no longer a 'working mans' sport. Unless you're on the dole of course....

    A ticket price nowadays is a weeks worth of shopping :/
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,753
    sky money is propping the game up at the end of the day, theres more money in having a game on tv than there is going to watch it at the ground, and we all know where most of the tv money goes dont we......
  • bluewookie
    Posts: 137
    sambo applecart said:

    sky money is propping the game up at the end of the day, theres more money in having a game on tv than there is going to watch it at the ground, and we all know where most of the tv money goes dont we......


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    Please elaborate.
  • IhateRS
    Posts: 1,094

    sambo applecart said:

    sky money is propping the game up at the end of the day, theres more money in having a game on tv than there is going to watch it at the ground, and we all know where most of the tv money goes dont we......


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    True, but the wages for players would have to drop if the money to pay them wasn't there. Sky is currently providing the money that is saving football from the mess that Sky's money has made in the first place.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,753
    bluewookie said:

    sambo applecart said:

    sky money is propping the game up at the end of the day, theres more money in having a game on tv than there is going to watch it at the ground, and we all know where most of the tv money goes dont we......


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    Please elaborate.




    without the 40-50 million quid we get in tv money every year, where would the game be?? if sky were to go bankrupt lets say, how many football clubs would follow suit??

    More tv money goes to the likes of Manu etc than it does to us because the tv companies will generate more money through advertisement on tv when Manu play than what we do.

    Why is there more and more game every year on tv?? because sky know they need to rake back in the money for the tv rights etc, and there is more chance of them getting more money back through the likes of manu being on telly than there is with us or stoke or fulham.

    If 40000 people go to goodison on a saturday, is that making sky anymore money?? No. If theres 32,000 at Goodison on a sunday when we play Newcastle on tv for example, sky then makes money through advertisements etc, SKY DONT CARE if we have 40000 or 400 people in goodison when we are not on tv, it isnt making them any extra money, but the money they make through the likes of manu the champions league etc helps them pay out the masses of money they do to clubs every season for tv rights. and to appease the fans they chuck the likes of us on a handful of times but put on 'the top 4 or 5 teams' as muchas possible cos these generate the most cash.
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