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David Moyes Has To Go
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    hahahahahahahaha, yeah that too ;)
  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    Disagree with the attitude of Sacking Moyes because we have become a better team under him and the football (not always) has improved.

    I do however agree that he is too defensive like yesterday and does not give us a get out. If we had played Osman in the middle Drenthe left Colman right and Saha up top we could have caught them on the break.

    Fellaini is a Defensive Mid and has always played his best for us in that position so why not keep him there. Moving players around I do not think is necessary.

    Also agree that Barkley needs to get game time to show his worth and produce for us before he is sold. Why keep him fresh for the top 4.

    Finally if we played more aggressive over the next few weeks City, RS, Chelsea and Man U we have more chance of 1 win and 3 defeats than 3 draws which brings us the same points.
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    we lose one game and the morons come out in force.
  • sqaudie
    Posts: 22
    drewbarrfan said:

    Everton have great players but they are not used properly by a negative manager who is far to cautious. Whts is the point of playing 75% of the game against Man City with 4 strikers on the bench and none on the pitch? Fans have called for the head of Bill Kenwright. I think we are missing the point. David Moyes has never won a thing in football either as a player or a manager and his team choices and style of play never will. Time to go David. Bring in an attack minded manager. TT.



    who would you bring in **** head go back and play with the kids 
  • sqaudie
    Posts: 22
    kingmoyes said:

    drewbarrfan said:

    Everton have great players but they are not used properly by a negative manager who is far to cautious. Whts is the point of playing 75% of the game against Man City with 4 strikers on the bench and none on the pitch? Fans have called for the head of Bill Kenwright. I think we are missing the point. David Moyes has never won a thing in football either as a player or a manager and his team choices and style of play never will. Time to go David. Bring in an attack minded manager. TT.


    -----------------i think the same mate drewbarton doesnt know anything and talks crap



    What a stupid post... im so angry i want to meet up and sort it



  • moysyboy1943
    Posts: 130
    Yea himwell, Cahill is scoring for fun is he....oh hang on ...how many has he scored this year.??????...well.......deathly silence is evident...
  • moysyboy1943
    Posts: 130
    Knoxy2001e said:

    we lose one game and the morons come out in force.



    two games....moron....out of how many?????
  • Russell82
    Posts: 729
    Its not so much the loss which has annoyed me, more the tactics and performance.  It's like we went back to the Walter Smith days.
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,424
    Former Everton chief executive Trevor Birch has said... "manager David Moyes was performing "nothing short of a miracle" with limited finances."
    and thats reality. something a few people around here know nothing about, which is what they know about football as well.
  • BlueShark
    Posts: 1,398
    To those who want Moyes out - who would you want in, who is an improvement and currently available?
  • NSNO
    Posts: 3,122
    drewbarrfan said:

    Everton have great players but they are not used properly by a negative manager who is far to cautious. Whts is the point of playing 75% of the game against Man City with 4 strikers on the bench and none on the pitch? Fans have called for the head of Bill Kenwright. I think we are missing the point. David Moyes has never won a thing in football either as a player or a manager and his team choices and style of play never will. Time to go David. Bring in an attack minded manager. TT.



    stupid post
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,297
    drewbarrfan said:

    My comment seems to have inspired a lot of anger which wasn't intended. Kingmoyes wants to  'meet up to sort it' and Happyhound thinks I am a '****' all because I expressed an opinion. I suspect that between them they have a brain the size of a split pea. For the record I am 60 uears old and have spent a lot of money over my 46 years as an evertonian supporting thic club. I have supported David Moyes during his 10 years as manager but I am disiluusioned with him. During the season he bemoans the lask of quality in hs team due to lack of funds and come the transfer window he bleats about hoping he can keep his best players but admits that, if the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd., Man City etc., come along with enough money then he will have to sell. If our players are as bad as he claims (read todays pre-match comment which must have destroyed the teams confidence before a ball had been kicked) then why would other top teams want to buy them? I admire everybodys loyalty (even Kingmoyes and Happyhound) but the fans need to wake up. We will never win anything with such a negative manager. During the transfer windows he inadvertantly admits he has good players because he fears they may be targetted byt other clubs but as soon as the transfer window closes he is back to making excuses about not having any money to buy players. He can't have it both ways. The fact is we didn't even try to win today and personally I won't be wasting another penny of my hard earned money on Everton until he goes.



    The fact that we have 2 or 3 players that the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Utd & City MAY want does not mean we do not have a lack of quality! There's 11 positions on the pitch!

    We've got a reasonable goalkeeper and good quality in 3 of the 4 positions across the back 4.

    We have a good choice of quality in the defensive midfield position.

    Then we have an uproven Premier League player wide left who we hope will prove sucessful.

    The rest of the team is the problem with average or below average or unproven or very young or almost always unfit players competing for all the creative/attacking positions.

    That's the entire attacking end of the pitch and nobody like Chelsea, Arsenal etc is chasing the players we have there!

    With all due respect, if you've been supporting Everton for 46 years, this should go without saying - this is information that shouldn't have to be highlighted for you.
  • Slepe
    Posts: 17
    I was sad to see an Everton team take the pitch with no "real" attacking threat. We had no effective out ball, resulting in City penning us in the last third for long periods. That can only lead to opportunities for their forwards to set themselves. Why when we had a number of strikers on the bench, wasn't at least one of them on at the start? Rodwell man marking Silva, that can't be right surely. We took the pitch with damage limitation the only tactic.
  • NSNO
    Posts: 3,122
    Slepe said:

    I was sad to see an Everton team take the pitch with no "real" attacking threat.



    we done the same thing last week against wigan.......it was only the last 20 mins when Vellios came on that we had a presence up front.....as beano just said, this shouldn't be coming as any kind of shock to people. A quality proven striker costs a minimum of £15m these days, and we simply don't have that......so as i was saying last week, we will struggle against the big teams (its a tough run of games for us this month), because we lack that cuting edge up front to hurt them.......against the rest of the teams outside the top 4, we have enough quality to do alright again this season.


    Slepe said:

    Rodwell man marking Silva, that can't be right surely.



    worked really well for us.......there's hope for the young man yet
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,297
    NSNO said:

    Slepe said:

    I was sad to see an Everton team take the pitch with no "real" attacking threat.



    we done the same thing last week against wigan.......it was only the last 20 mins when Vellios came on that we had a presence up front.....as beano just said, this shouldn't be coming as any kind of shock to people. A quality proven striker costs a minimum of £15m these days, and we simply don't have that......so as i was saying last week, we will struggle against the big teams (its a tough run of games for us this month), because we lack that cuting edge up front to hurt them.......against the rest of the teams outside the top 4, we have enough quality to do alright again this season.


    Slepe said:

    Rodwell man marking Silva, that can't be right surely.



    worked really well for us.......there's hope for the young man yet


    Well now I wouldn't agree that we can't hut the big 4/5 this season. We have a similar threat to what we had last season and we hurt them pretty good with our 19 points from the 12 games against the top 6 and putting Chelsea out of the cup!

    Last Saturday's setup/performance wasn't very different from what we've done in some of those games last season. Take the 1-1 draw at White Heart Lane for example, I came onto the BR the following Monday to moan about how poor we were but when I got here, all I could see was complements and delight about the performance. The only difference with that game and the one this weekend was Baines smacked in a free kick

    I taut we played better in many ways than we did even in the game at Eastlands last season - How many clear cut chances did Man city create last season - loads! They just made a couple of early defensive errors that they didn't make this time and the 2 goalscorers from that game were on the pitch again last Saturday! The criteria for being happy or not here is the result. It's as simple as that! The simple notion that sometimes it comes off and sometimes it doesn't seems alien.
  • NSNO
    Posts: 3,122
    Beano said:

    NSNO said:

    Slepe said:

    I was sad to see an Everton team take the pitch with no "real" attacking threat.



    we done the same thing last week against wigan.......it was only the last 20 mins when Vellios came on that we had a presence up front.....as beano just said, this shouldn't be coming as any kind of shock to people. A quality proven striker costs a minimum of £15m these days, and we simply don't have that......so as i was saying last week, we will struggle against the big teams (its a tough run of games for us this month), because we lack that cuting edge up front to hurt them.......against the rest of the teams outside the top 4, we have enough quality to do alright again this season.


    Slepe said:

    Rodwell man marking Silva, that can't be right surely.



    worked really well for us.......there's hope for the young man yet


    Well now I wouldn't agree that we can't hut the big 4/5 this season. We have a similar threat to what we had last season and we hurt them pretty good with our 19 points from the 12 games against the top 6 and putting Chelsea out of the cup!

    Last Saturday's setup/performance wasn't very different from what we've done in some of those games last season. Take the 1-1 draw at White Heart Lane for example, I came onto the BR the following Monday to moan about how poor we were but when I got here, all I could see was complements and delight about the performance. The only difference with that game and the one this weekend was Baines smacked in a free kick

    I taut we played better in many ways than we did even in the game at Eastlands last season - How many clear cut chances did Man city create last season - loads! They just made a couple of early defensive errors that they didn't make this time and the 2 goalscorers from that game were on the pitch again last Saturday! The criteria for being happy or not here is the result. It's as simple as that! The simple notion that sometimes it comes off and sometimes it doesn't seems alien.



    I think a problem we'll have this season against the top 4, is we're also missing Arteta & Pienaar......so our creativity has been diminished quiet abit......and Saha has yet to get anywhere near match fitness......if we had a fully fit Saha available for the big games, with cahill playing behind him, then we would have a threat.....
    I agree that, all things considered, we played just as well this year against City as last season.....but we never looked like scoring, and never looked like we had any other intention but to play for 0-0...even on corners & set pieces we never committed too many players into the box......all understandable, but i think it showed Moyes didn't have the same confidence as last season that we could fight with the big boys.
  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,010

    To be fair, I think you just have to look what Man City had up front at their disposal before casting judgement on the game.

    We haven't been able to enter into the market to 'buy' a striker.

    They had Aguero, 38 million, Dzeko 27 million in their starting line up and we held them at bay. They then brought on Balotelli 24 million and left Tevez 25 million on the bench.

    We sold Jermaine Beckford for 4 million and gave it to the bank. 

    The got a lucky deflection for their goal and we largely got nothing of any use from the ref.



    You might be disappointed but the maths are there for all to see, Moyes and our team did well and on another day might have taken a point. But City are just too good now for us to expect a result at their place these days.



  • weverett
    Posts: 137
    ToffeeCup said:


    To be fair, I think you just have to look what Man City had up front at their disposal before casting judgement on the game.

    We haven't been able to enter into the market to 'buy' a striker.

    They had Aguero, 38 million, Dzeko 27 million in their starting line up and we held them at bay. They then brought on Balotelli 24 million and left Tevez 25 million on the bench.

    We sold Jermaine Beckford for 4 million and gave it to the bank. 

    The got a lucky deflection for their goal and we largely got nothing of any use from the ref.



    You might be disappointed but the maths are there for all to see, Moyes and our team did well and on another day might have taken a point. But City are just too good now for us to expect a result at their place these days.





    I cant afford to buy a top end striker, but we can at least play one.  When there is zero scoring threat on the pitch from us the other team presses, which has happened in *every game* this season.  Just because we havent lost them all doesnt mean we were not at risk.  The *only* time we were effective all season was when we put strac, velios, and drenthe on the pitch vs wigan.
  • Warrington Dan
    Posts: 8,859
    I thought we looked really threatening when we played Stracqualursi and Vellios upfront together (against Wigan). I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more of these two lads upfront and playing there together (not one or the other). 
  • AllAroundMyHat
    Posts: 776
    me too but we`ll get the usual...they need more time. people need to wait spiel
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