ToffeeCup said:

HOWIE8 said:

ToffeeCup said:

HOWIE8 said:

TC, absoloutly majestic, ive asked for information to have a knowledgeable opinion, well its all there. If Tickets comes up with something to detract what you've just explained i'd be amazed. As for this interim board, is the fella in a one bedroomed flat in South Africa on it? OOps that was one of the stupid things that nearly happened, but thanks for your clear and totally full explanation TC.

Nice of you to say.

Not to sure what you mean about the one bedroomed flat in South Africa. I have heard about a one bedroomed flat in Manchester and some due diligence though.

If that is what you meant then, as posted in another thread on this subject, due diligence can mean different things in different situations. As Kenwright described it, he had the guys name checked out as soon as he got it from Keith Harris because he had a team of people doing that sort of work for his theatre operations already.

In short, it was discovered as quickly as it could have been (aside from Kieth Harris's mismanagement) and it certainly didn't get anywhere near to a situation that you could describe as 'nearly happened' 


If you found that post informative, you might want to check out the other thread on the subject... will get it and edit this post with it.


Edit: http://www.evertonfc.com/forum/discussion/485/blue-union....maybe-some-good-has-come-out-of-it............-now-with-added-poll

Thanks for that, thought it was SA, but mixing up with the ICI thing. I also thought it was close; cause of the way Kenwright said it in the BU interview, "he smelt a rat". Will look forward to reading the other thread. Again i say top notch info, thanks.

Thanks for the comment.

The bit about the due diligence is on the second page in the post that starts:

Gray90, as you've taken the time to register an account on here just to
reply to this thread I think the least I can do is reply to your last
post point by point

ToffeeCup said:

tickets11 said:

ToffeeCup said:

What a fecking egit.

:)) you cant say anything because you cant find anything wrong with my solution.

now if you want to question the solution go ahead.,

or you can just carry on with your dumbass comments like you usually do.

You just don't have the slightest clue do you.

Firstly, this interim board suggestion is just embarrassing.

It happened at Liverpool because the bank was able to enforce it. In the same way the bank serves an eviction notice if you can't pay your mortgage payments and the house is sold to the winning bidder. The only thing that bid needs to satisfy is that the banks gets back what it is owed.

Essentially, the bank evicted H&G from the board and had the new board sell the club for any amount of money they liked so long as the bank got its cash back.


You, and another bunch of halfwits, requesting that the owners of a company step a side so that it can be sold to new owners because you feel very passionate about its products is just painfully funny. But it does also underline how your grasp of the financial realities of this situation are child like at best.

Further more you state that:

"Bk is looking for 130m+pay off all debts+invest in the team+look into
building a new stadium, hence why the club isnt being sold."


One of the big things you cringe worthy pillocks whine about is that Kenwright won't answer the question of how much he wants for Everton FC (which is his right). So how you can profess to know...not only how much he wants for it, but in such an itemised fashion and that it is the key reason why the club hasn't been sold just sums up how stupid you and your post is.





Also, anyone with half a brain can see the real issues behind why clubs are being invested in. The really big issues that dictate why investing in a football club makes sense are there, in every deal that takes place.


The catchment area, is it one club city, if not are you bigger or smaller than the other club.
The stadium situation.
The relative wealth of the fan base.
Global appeal
Debt.


If there is one thing that the investments in football clubs thus far have proved it is that no one really cares that much about history or club tradition and heritage when buying a football club. Although that is not to say that the new owners won't go on about it in front of the fans and the press if it comes with a massive turn over and a global marketing appeal.

Outside of that, not being a one club city isn't an investment killer.

Its also fair to say that having a poor stadium situation isn't the end of the road either.

Also, there are cases where a relatively poor fan base hasn't provided a barrier to investment either.

And out debt situation is far from problematic when compared to other clubs, even if our global appeal isn't exactly right up there with the best of them.



However....there has not being a single case of a club with our configuration of the above getting bought.

That is not to say that it won't happen.

But it is absolutely factual to say that no club from a two team city (aside from London which is a tad different, and has largely wealthy fan bases), which shares its city with one of the biggest footballing brands in the world, that has a poor stadium situation and a relatively poor fan base has been snapped up so far.




So in conclusion...

Its the embarrassingly entertaining and infantile suggestions you, and BU, put forward. Its the utter guess work and rumour that you put forward as fact. Its the evident lack of understanding of the very clear and rather obvious situation being played out in front of us all as football clubs get bought and sold.

Its for those reasons that I called you a 'fecking egit'.

 
and theres the flaw in the argument.  If it had been 2 or 3 years you would have a point, but its been over 10 years and still nothing despite several offers that he admitted, and probably even more offers we dont even know about.  and still yout sit there and support him, along with his other **** ups.

and the reason havent got a stadium is also becuase of kenright just incase you forgot that

and on the pricing of the club.

would you put your house up for sale without a price....Exactly.

HOWIE8 said:

TC, absoloutly majestic, ive asked for information to have a knowledgeable opinion, well its all there. If Tickets comes up with something to detract what you've just explained i'd be amazed. As for this interim board, is the fella in a one bedroomed flat in South Africa on it? OOps that was one of the stupid things that nearly happened, but thanks for your clear and totally full explanation TC.

No this is just you and a lot of others on here being totally wrong.

feel clever now dont you.

HOWIE8 said:

tickets11 said:

HOWIE8 said:

TC, absoloutly majestic, ive asked for information to have a knowledgeable opinion, well its all there. If Tickets comes up with something to detract what you've just explained i'd be amazed. As for this interim board, is the fella in a one bedroomed flat in South Africa on it? OOps that was one of the stupid things that nearly happened, but thanks for your clear and totally full explanation TC.

No this is just you and a lot of others on here being totally wrong.

feel clever now dont you.

Feel quite content really, especially as you havent answered my request for some information on the credentials of the "interim board", to be our saviours?????? :-?

I didnt say I had every detail.

You asked for an alternative solution then kenright has been doing for the last 10 years and I gave you one.

BlueTezza said:

1. He hired Moyes.
2. ????
3. ????
4. ????

sambo applecart said:

11blue said:

I'm always positive  :-D

Admit it, im rubbing off on you arnt i?? ;)

11blue said:

zagan said:

sambo applecart said:

11blue said:

I'm always positive  :-D

Admit it, im rubbing off on you arnt i?? ;)

Bloody hell man!

Too much info imo!

:p

I won't comment.

11blue said:

I am always happy when we win, and I honestly don't mean to come across negative!

ToffeeCup said:

tickets11 said:

ToffeeCup said:

tickets11 said:

ToffeeCup said:

What a fecking egit.

:)) you cant say anything because you cant find anything wrong with my solution.

now if you want to question the solution go ahead.,

or you can just carry on with your dumbass comments like you usually do.

You just don't have the slightest clue do you.

Firstly, this interim board suggestion is just embarrassing.

It happened at Liverpool because the bank was able to enforce it. In the same way the bank serves an eviction notice if you can't pay your mortgage payments and the house is sold to the winning bidder. The only thing that bid needs to satisfy is that the banks gets back what it is owed.

Essentially, the bank evicted H&G from the board and had the new board sell the club for any amount of money they liked so long as the bank got its cash back.


You, and another bunch of halfwits, requesting that the owners of a company step a side so that it can be sold to new owners because you feel very passionate about its products is just painfully funny. But it does also underline how your grasp of the financial realities of this situation are child like at best.

Further more you state that:

"Bk is looking for 130m+pay off all debts+invest in the team+look into
building a new stadium, hence why the club isnt being sold."


One of the big things you cringe worthy pillocks whine about is that Kenwright won't answer the question of how much he wants for Everton FC (which is his right). So how you can profess to know...not only how much he wants for it, but in such an itemised fashion and that it is the key reason why the club hasn't been sold just sums up how stupid you and your post is.





Also, anyone with half a brain can see the real issues behind why clubs are being invested in. The really big issues that dictate why investing in a football club makes sense are there, in every deal that takes place.


The catchment area, is it one club city, if not are you bigger or smaller than the other club.
The stadium situation.
The relative wealth of the fan base.
Global appeal
Debt.


If there is one thing that the investments in football clubs thus far have proved it is that no one really cares that much about history or club tradition and heritage when buying a football club. Although that is not to say that the new owners won't go on about it in front of the fans and the press if it comes with a massive turn over and a global marketing appeal.

Outside of that, not being a one club city isn't an investment killer.

Its also fair to say that having a poor stadium situation isn't the end of the road either.

Also, there are cases where a relatively poor fan base hasn't provided a barrier to investment either.

And out debt situation is far from problematic when compared to other clubs, even if our global appeal isn't exactly right up there with the best of them.



However....there has not being a single case of a club with our configuration of the above getting bought.

That is not to say that it won't happen.

But it is absolutely factual to say that no club from a two team city (aside from London which is a tad different, and has largely wealthy fan bases), which shares its city with one of the biggest footballing brands in the world, that has a poor stadium situation and a relatively poor fan base has been snapped up so far.




So in conclusion...

Its the embarrassingly entertaining and infantile suggestions you, and BU, put forward. Its the utter guess work and rumour that you put forward as fact. Its the evident lack of understanding of the very clear and rather obvious situation being played out in front of us all as football clubs get bought and sold.

Its for those reasons that I called you a 'fecking egit'.

 
and theres the flaw in the argument.  If it had been 2 or 3 years you would have a point, but its been over 10 years and still nothing despite several offers that he admitted, and probably even more offers we dont even know about.  and still yout sit there and support him, along with his other **** ups.

and the reason havent got a stadium is also becuase of kenright just incase you forgot that

and on the pricing of the club.

would you put your house up for sale without a price....Exactly.

I'm embarrassed for you Tickets.

You've highlighted me pointing out a general fact regarding the the key investment criteria of the clubs that have been purchased thus far as a ''flaw' in my argument because Everton have been on the market for 10 years not 2 or 3. Utterly bizarre.

You also have no idea why the Kinks dock Stadium deal fell through and the Everton Board have stated that the council were the issue. But laughably, you profess to know it was Kenwrights fault.

You've then gone on to say that you don't put your house on the market without having a sale price. While in this very same thread you've claimed to know exactly how much Bill Kenwright is asking for the club.

What an fecking egit you are.


Oh and, maybe the sort of houses you and your parents would buy do all come with prices listed. But I suspect the standard of house Mr Kenwright purchases come with a tag marked P.O.A....