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The definative list of Bill Kenwright's achievements during his 12 years tenure.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    Tickets, if you cant see any flaws in the RS solution, and all is rosy over the park, in February 2010 they were something like 350million in debt, the new owners took over the debt, is that a good solution to you??
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    blacktoffee said:

    tickets11 said:

    ToffeeCup said:





    What a fecking egit.






    :)) you cant say anything because you cant find anything wrong with my solution.


    now if you want to question the solution go ahead.,


    or you can just carry on with your dumbass comments like you usually do.



    So, let me, who appoints this "independant Board" becuase I know for a fact that if it was the current board, you'd be spitting fire. So, that is your major flaw. The other issue that you need to tackle is that the price of the club is only one element to the issue.

    Would you seriously be happy if a new owner purhased the shares from the Board but made no commitment to resolving the debt, providing real sums for team building or the stadia?




    its interim board.  Bring in someone like broughton, his done it before he can do it again,  
    and maybe even on ex player who has the best interest for the club and will only agree to sell the club if the criteria I mentioned is met  


    and again, the new owners would have to agree to pay off all debts, and money for transfers in advance before buying the club.  before buying the club set it in the contract that they HAVE to do these things or else they will be in a breach of contract.


    you see there are many ways this could work

  • HOWIE8
    Posts: 7,583
    Apart from the interim board bit(which i thought means a kind of administration), isnt your solutions; exactly what the current board, as they say; working 24/7 on. Its what every club in the country wants, so where are these so called answer to everyones problems. What makes an interim board more likely to find them; more than the millionaires that own our club??
    This statement just seems to be a "i know better than you" statement. I'm happy to hear why and learn what the credentials of this interim board are; that makes them our saviours, and believe me i'm being open to the information, so i can make a more knowledgeable opinion on the matter.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    How many new owners are just going to pay off 50million quids worth of debt out of their OWN pockets!??!?! UNLESS, they are mega rich like Chelsea or CIty's owners??

    The RS, will be in the SH**E again if they dont start getting in the champions league cos their owners have taken the debt on not paid it off like you keep claiming.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    sambo applecart said:

    Tickets, if you cant see any flaws in the RS solution, and all is rosy over the park, in February 2010 they were something like 350million in debt, the new owners took over the debt, is that a good solution to you??




    The RS got the best deal going.  

    the fans got new owners who have delivered in their agreement to invest in the squad.  the fact you might not like the players they brought in is irrelevent, the fact is the owners gave the manager substantial funds.  their debts are now gone.  their looking into a new stadium.  and a bonus for them is that hicks and gillets actually lost money on the deal.


    the only thing they never got wa a new stadium, but that was never guaranteed anyway, and they are now looking into that.

  • Beano
    Posts: 3,303
    tickets11 said:

    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:


    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:

    ToffeeCup said:





    What a fecking egit.








    :)) you cant say anything because you cant find anything wrong with my solution.


    now if you want to question the solution go ahead.,


    or you can just carry on with your dumbass comments like you usually do.



    I love how your copy & paste job into this thread from a list compiled by TBU suddenly became your list

    ....and then a (flawed) proposed solution by the same group is now suddenly your solution!

    Neat tricks!



    Who said the quotes was my list.


    and the proposal was done by the RS, albeit theres was slightly different as they never had to pay anything for the club, just the debts.  nothing to do with TBU




    Some people on here think it's your list and you're happy to not set tye record straight coz you want to look clever.

    How is it nothing to do with TBU when it's exactly what they want.

    In any case, the point is, it's not your solution...and yes, you did say it is!

    And yes, it is flawed becuase BK only holds about 25% of shares and the rest of the board do not profess to be in it mainly for what's best for Everton and they're not going to bring in someone to do a job which if they're successful in doing, will cost them alot of money! Anyway, I have pointed out several times what I think of these idea's and I won't discuss it all again just coz you want to pretend they're your idea's all of a sudden!



    which people on here think its my list, go ahead im waiting.


    again and where did I say it my idea.


    this solution has been put into practice by the RS, and it worked.

    I cant see any flaws in the solution.  end of the day the board make a profit, and the club gets everything it needs.


    Its win win for everybody.


    you cant find any flaws in it because there isnt any.


    For the RS, the owners lost out, but in this case they wouldn't.  and as for the other shareholders, they will be in it for the money, and My solution guarantees them a prift on their investment.


    your trying to come up with excuses why its a bad idea but you cant.




    the parkendkid and blacktoffee look to me llike they think it's your list!
    The bold bit above says, not THE solution, or A soultion....it says "My solution"

    The solution was NOT put into practice by the RS....it was put into practise by THEIR BANK!

    Basically, the suggestion insinuates on one hand that the board can't sell Everton because they want too much money for it and their asking price is too high - and then on the other hand, proposes that the board agree to get someone else to sell it for LESS money than that asking price!

    If you can't see the flaw in this logic, you're definately as thick as I think you are!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    hahahahahahahaha! the RS didnt get the best deal going at all, have you not read the documentation that advised against the current owners taking over the club!?!?

    And ive not said anything about the players the RS have brought in.

    AND THEIR DEBTS ARE NOT GONE, SO STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR BUM, HOW MANY TIMES?!? THE OWNERS TOOK THE DEBT ON YOU NOGGIN, IVE TOLD YOU THIS AT LEAST 10 TIMES FFS!
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    sambo applecart said:

    How many new owners are just going to pay off 50million quids worth of debt out of their OWN pockets!??!?! UNLESS, they are mega rich like Chelsea or CIty's owners??

    The RS, will be in the SH**E again if they dont start getting in the champions league cos their owners have taken the debt on not paid it off like you keep claiming.




    there also brining in money through sponsorships  they are also looking to expand the brand in america and asia.  bringing in le bron james to advertise the club. increasing ticket prices ETC  small things like this that means they are continually growing.


    they also now own 2 of the top sports teams in the world.  and drastically improved the red sox fortunes when they brought them a few years back.

  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,044
    tickets11 said:

    ToffeeCup said:





    What a fecking egit.








    :)) you cant say anything because you cant find anything wrong with my solution.


    now if you want to question the solution go ahead.,


    or you can just carry on with your dumbass comments like you usually do.





    You just don't have the slightest clue do you.

    Firstly, this interim board suggestion is just embarrassing.

    It happened at Liverpool because the bank was able to enforce it. In the same way the bank serves an eviction notice if you can't pay your mortgage payments and the house is sold to the winning bidder. The only thing that bid needs to satisfy is that the banks gets back what it is owed.

    Essentially, the bank evicted H&G from the board and had the new board sell the club for any amount of money they liked so long as the bank got its cash back.


    You, and another bunch of halfwits, requesting that the owners of a company step a side so that it can be sold to new owners because you feel very passionate about its products is just painfully funny. But it does also underline how your grasp of the financial realities of this situation are child like at best.

    Further more you state that:

    "Bk is looking for 130m+pay off all debts+invest in the team+look into
    building a new stadium, hence why the club isnt being sold."


    One of the big things you cringe worthy pillocks whine about is that Kenwright won't answer the question of how much he wants for Everton FC (which is his right). So how you can profess to know...not only how much he wants for it, but in such an itemised fashion and that it is the key reason why the club hasn't been sold just sums up how stupid you and your post is.





    Also, anyone with half a brain can see the real issues behind why clubs are being invested in. The really big issues that dictate why investing in a football club makes sense are there, in every deal that takes place.


    The catchment area, is it one club city, if not are you bigger or smaller than the other club.
    The stadium situation.
    The relative wealth of the fan base.
    Global appeal
    Debt.


    If there is one thing that the investments in football clubs thus far have proved it is that no one really cares that much about history or club tradition and heritage when buying a football club. Although that is not to say that the new owners won't go on about it in front of the fans and the press if it comes with a massive turn over and a global marketing appeal.

    Outside of that, not being a one club city isn't an investment killer.

    Its also fair to say that having a poor stadium situation isn't the end of the road either.

    Also, there are cases where a relatively poor fan base hasn't provided a barrier to investment either.

    And out debt situation is far from problematic when compared to other clubs, even if our global appeal isn't exactly right up there with the best of them.



    However....there has not being a single case of a club with our configuration of the above getting bought.

    That is not to say that it won't happen.

    But it is absolutely factual to say that no club from a two team city (aside from London which is a tad different, and has largely wealthy fan bases), which shares its city with one of the biggest footballing brands in the world, that has a poor stadium situation and a relatively poor fan base has been snapped up so far.




    So in conclusion...

    Its the embarrassingly entertaining and infantile suggestions you, and BU, put forward. Its the utter guess work and rumour that you put forward as fact. Its the evident lack of understanding of the very clear and rather obvious situation being played out in front of us all as football clubs get bought and sold.

    Its for those reasons that I called you a 'fecking egit'.


  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:

    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:


    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:

    ToffeeCup said:





    What a fecking egit.








    :)) you cant say anything because you cant find anything wrong with my solution.


    now if you want to question the solution go ahead.,


    or you can just carry on with your dumbass comments like you usually do.



    I love how your copy & paste job into this thread from a list compiled by TBU suddenly became your list

    ....and then a (flawed) proposed solution by the same group is now suddenly your solution!

    Neat tricks!



    Who said the quotes was my list.


    and the proposal was done by the RS, albeit theres was slightly different as they never had to pay anything for the club, just the debts.  nothing to do with TBU




    Some people on here think it's your list and you're happy to not set tye record straight coz you want to look clever.

    How is it nothing to do with TBU when it's exactly what they want.

    In any case, the point is, it's not your solution...and yes, you did say it is!

    And yes, it is flawed becuase BK only holds about 25% of shares and the rest of the board do not profess to be in it mainly for what's best for Everton and they're not going to bring in someone to do a job which if they're successful in doing, will cost them alot of money! Anyway, I have pointed out several times what I think of these idea's and I won't discuss it all again just coz you want to pretend they're your idea's all of a sudden!



    which people on here think its my list, go ahead im waiting.


    again and where did I say it my idea.


    this solution has been put into practice by the RS, and it worked.

    I cant see any flaws in the solution.  end of the day the board make a profit, and the club gets everything it needs.


    Its win win for everybody.


    you cant find any flaws in it because there isnt any.


    For the RS, the owners lost out, but in this case they wouldn't.  and as for the other shareholders, they will be in it for the money, and My solution guarantees them a prift on their investment.


    your trying to come up with excuses why its a bad idea but you cant.




    the parkendkid and blacktoffee look to me llike they think it's your list!
    The bold bit above says, not THE solution, or A soultion....it says "My solution"

    The solution was NOT put into practice by the RS....it was put into practise by THEIR BANK!

    Basically, the suggestion insinuates on one hand that the board can't sell Everton because they want too much money for it and their asking price is too high - and then on the other hand, proposes that the board agree to get someone else to sell it for LESS money than that asking price!

    If you can't see the flaw in this logic, you're definately as thick as I think you are!



    Exactly, the reason we arent being sold is because the board want too much money for the club.

    kenright wants a city/chelsea takeover and he is prepared to wait for that deal even if it doesent come.


    and in the bold part, less hen the asking price but ensure BK STILL MAKES A PROFIT.  no one is losing out here.

    and the takeover to happen ONLY IF THE MATCH THE CRITERIA.  i.e. agree to pay off all debts, and invest in the team ETC.


    its pretty simple beano.




  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    sambo applecart said:

    hahahahahahahaha! the RS didnt get the best deal going at all, have you not read the documentation that advised against the current owners taking over the club!?!?

    And ive not said anything about the players the RS have brought in.

    AND THEIR DEBTS ARE NOT GONE, SO STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR BUM, HOW MANY TIMES?!? THE OWNERS TOOK THE DEBT ON YOU NOGGIN, IVE TOLD YOU THIS AT LEAST 10 TIMES FFS!




    Sambo if you cant see that short of a city.chelsea takeover RS got the best deal possible you need you head checked son.

    Again look at how they have been managing the red sox.


    These arent just business men who have come into sports.  they have a track history with the red sox, and know how to imcrease the clubs brand.  I.E. make money

    bringing in le bron james was a masterstroke, as was bringing in daglish to put the fans at ease.

  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    tickets11 said:

    sambo applecart said:

    How many new owners are just going to pay off 50million quids worth of debt out of their OWN pockets!??!?! UNLESS, they are mega rich like Chelsea or CIty's owners??

    The RS, will be in the SH**E again if they dont start getting in the champions league cos their owners have taken the debt on not paid it off like you keep claiming.




    there also brining in money through sponsorships  they are also looking to expand the brand in america and asia.  bringing in le bron james to advertise the club. increasing ticket prices ETC  small things like this that means they are continually growing.


    they also now own 2 of the top sports teams in the world.  and drastically improved the red sox fortunes when they brought them a few years back.





    They need to though dont they, cos they are 350million quid in debt! Liverpool always have and always will be a global brand, its not rocket science that lid, and if BK said right we are putting ticket prices up there would be another protest against him.......where as the RS seem more than happy to keeping forking out to pay off the clubs debt! WHY should we as fans have to delve deeper into our pockets to go watch our team b'cos the owners of the club (granted over the course of a few years with the rs) have kept on running up massive debts?? The word MUG springs to mind imo, but if they are happypaying to ge their club out of debt b'cos of poor management for years then they are welcome to do it!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    tickets11 said:

    sambo applecart said:

    hahahahahahahaha! the RS didnt get the best deal going at all, have you not read the documentation that advised against the current owners taking over the club!?!?

    And ive not said anything about the players the RS have brought in.

    AND THEIR DEBTS ARE NOT GONE, SO STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR BUM, HOW MANY TIMES?!? THE OWNERS TOOK THE DEBT ON YOU NOGGIN, IVE TOLD YOU THIS AT LEAST 10 TIMES FFS!




    Sambo if you cant see that short of a city.chelsea takeover RS got the best deal possible you need you head checked son.

    Again look at how they have been managing the red sox.


    These arent just business men who have come into sports.  they have a track history with the red sox, and know how to imcrease the clubs brand.  I.E. make money

    bringing in le bron james was a masterstroke, as was bringing in daglish to put the fans at ease.






    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! Dalgslish a masterstoke!?! Tickets, ive said this before, son, i dont think he is the man for the job, he seems to already be going into melt down for me, and if/when it does go wrong for King Kenny, i will post a thread, dedicated to you saying that i tried to explain to you this would happen.

    How is it going to be a masterstroke if they dont qualify for the champions league next season!?!

    And they need to bring in people to 'expand' the brand as you claim cos getting out of 350million quids worth of debt will take some doing kidda!
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,303
    tickets11 said:



    Exactly, the reason we arent being sold is because the board want too much money for the club.

    kenright wants a city/chelsea takeover and he is prepared to wait for that deal even if it doesent come.


    and in the bold part, less hen the asking price but ensure BK STILL MAKES A PROFIT.  no one is losing out here.

    and the takeover to happen ONLY IF THE MATCH THE CRITERIA.  i.e. agree to pay off all debts, and invest in the team ETC.


    its pretty simple beano.






    Really, I'm not gonna keep making the same point over and over again.

    If the board have too high an asking price for the club, they're not gonna voluntairly appoint someone else to sell it for less than that asking price. If someone else can sell it for a lower asking price and the board were willing to do so, why wouldn't they just lower the asking price themselves. It's absolutely idiotic!

    It's pretty simple tickets.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002

    HAHAHAHAH



    bringing in an interim board has a better chance for the club being sold.



    now kenright has been trying for over 10 years and every week has been speaking with "3 prospective buyers" One who was a guy who lived in a one bedroom flat in manchester 

    :))


    and this is the guy who we expect to sell a club.  Jog on.

  • HOWIE8
    Posts: 7,583
    TC, absoloutly majestic, ive asked for information to have a knowledgeable opinion, well its all there. If Tickets comes up with something to detract what you've just explained i'd be amazed. As for this interim board, is the fella in a one bedroomed flat in South Africa on it? OOps that was one of the stupid things that nearly happened, but thanks for your clear and totally full explanation TC.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:



    Exactly, the reason we arent being sold is because the board want too much money for the club.

    kenright wants a city/chelsea takeover and he is prepared to wait for that deal even if it doesent come.


    and in the bold part, less hen the asking price but ensure BK STILL MAKES A PROFIT.  no one is losing out here.

    and the takeover to happen ONLY IF THE MATCH THE CRITERIA.  i.e. agree to pay off all debts, and invest in the team ETC.


    its pretty simple beano.






    Really, I'm not gonna keep making the same point over and over again.

    If the board have too high an asking price for the club, they're not gonna voluntairly appoint someone else to sell it for less than that asking price. If someone else can sell it for a lower asking price and the board were willing to do so, why wouldn't they just lower the asking price themselves. It's absolutely idiotic!

    It's pretty simple tickets.



    Beacuse they want MONEY!! same as what Hicks and gillet were after.


    Is that really putting the fans first.

  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    sambo applecart said:

    tickets11 said:

    sambo applecart said:

    How many new owners are just going to pay off 50million quids worth of debt out of their OWN pockets!??!?! UNLESS, they are mega rich like Chelsea or CIty's owners??

    The RS, will be in the SH**E again if they dont start getting in the champions league cos their owners have taken the debt on not paid it off like you keep claiming.




    there also brining in money through sponsorships  they are also looking to expand the brand in america and asia.  bringing in le bron james to advertise the club. increasing ticket prices ETC  small things like this that means they are continually growing.


    they also now own 2 of the top sports teams in the world.  and drastically improved the red sox fortunes when they brought them a few years back.





    They need to though dont they, cos they are 350million quid in debt! Liverpool always have and always will be a global brand, its not rocket science that lid, and if BK said right we are putting ticket prices up there would be another protest against him.......where as the RS seem more than happy to keeping forking out to pay off the clubs debt! WHY should we as fans have to delve deeper into our pockets to go watch our team b'cos the owners of the club (granted over the course of a few years with the rs) have kept on running up massive debts?? The word MUG springs to mind imo, but if they are happypaying to ge their club out of debt b'cos of poor management for years then they are welcome to do it!


    there not in 350m debt you idiot.
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,303
    tickets11 said:

    Beano said:

    tickets11 said:



    Exactly, the reason we arent being sold is because the board want too much money for the club.

    kenright wants a city/chelsea takeover and he is prepared to wait for that deal even if it doesent come.


    and in the bold part, less hen the asking price but ensure BK STILL MAKES A PROFIT.  no one is losing out here.

    and the takeover to happen ONLY IF THE MATCH THE CRITERIA.  i.e. agree to pay off all debts, and invest in the team ETC.


    its pretty simple beano.






    Really, I'm not gonna keep making the same point over and over again.

    If the board have too high an asking price for the club, they're not gonna voluntairly appoint someone else to sell it for less than that asking price. If someone else can sell it for a lower asking price and the board were willing to do so, why wouldn't they just lower the asking price themselves. It's absolutely idiotic!

    It's pretty simple tickets.



    Beacuse they want MONEY!! same as what Hicks and gillet were after.


    Is that really putting the fans first.



    If an intrim board can sell the club for less money, the board can too! Jeeezzzz!
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,216
    tickets11 said:

    HAHAHAHAH



    bringing in an interim board has a better chance for the club being sold.



    now kenright has been trying for over 10 years and every week has been speaking with "3 prospective buyers" One who was a guy who lived in a one bedroom flat in manchester 

    :))


    and this is the guy who we expect to sell a club.  Jog on.





    You are literally too stupid to insult.

    And you say you actually have a degree.

    Theres no wonder the countries in a mess if they give them out to people like you.
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