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Why is Everton a graveyard for strikers?
  • fillippo
    Posts: 35
    Listed below are strikers Moyes has brought in;
    M.BENT
    BEATTIE
    JOHNSON
    YAKUBU
    SAHA
    BECKFORD

    Most of these either came to the club as prolific 20 goal-a-season striker OR had just ONE good season with us and left a shadow of what they once were.......WHY?

    Either they were all made to play as the lone striker and were all used to playing with a partner or they simply lost confidence.
    They all remind me of what Jelavic is going thru now.


  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    bent was great, always put a shift in just lacked that bit of quality....


    beattie was lazy and didnt understnad what was expected of him.
    johnson got home sick and wanted to go back to london and was picking up niggle injuries anyway..
    saha had more problems than enough before he came here....
    yakubu one season wonder.......
    beckford not premier league quality and was BONE IDLE.
  • OGV
    Posts: 909
    fillippo said:


    M.BENT - best ever season was 16 goals for Sheff Utd in 1st division
    BEATTIE - once scored more than 20 when at Southampton
    JOHNSON - scored 22 in one season in the prem with Palace
    YAKUBU - Admittedly killed by Moyes
    SAHA - Only once scored more than 20 in the prem and that was Fulham's first season in the prem (2000/1)
    BECKFORD - scored bag loads... in 1st division (not quite the same standard as the prem)


  • himwill
    Posts: 554
    Bent - Was never going to score that many in the prem. Was playing in a team that was defensively minded and was getting onto 30/31 at that point.
    Beattie - Didn't fit the mould.
    Johnson - scored loads of penalties in that season and had a season with us where we didn't get a single penalty. Also still in a defensive team.
    Yakubu - Great first season, got injured, and was never the same again. BTW he is always good in his first season and then drops off (see Portsmouth, Middlesborough, Us and Blackburn).
    Saha - Incredibly injury prone since his first season at united but did have once decent season with us.
    Beckford - Did score goals for us but needed a lot of chances to do so.

    Don't forget that you need to spend big money to get a 20 goal a season striker which we don't have and scoring a heap of goals in one season and never repeating it is not a sign of a top quality striker just look at Fernando Torres, Grant Holt, Andy Carroll, Ballotelli, Obefemi Martins, Alfonso Alves etc.
  • king-moyes
    Posts: 3,159
    Best striker i felt he let go was Brian McBride...  To this day he made a massive mistake

    The rest of the list is silly - Bent, Saha and Beckford cost us £400k total in transfer money, so whatever they did in their time well done...  Yak injured and never found form after he found food... And Andy Johnson, most overrated striker of the 2000s..........  I think he has played once since he left us and has 2 bionic new knees.......

    We have missed the point, its not the strikers, its the lack of creativity, last winger we had was Andrei the giant Kanchelsko, thats when i was 16, a long time ago............

    Anyway, endith of the lesson 
  • david14
    Posts: 279
    fillippo said:

    Listed below are strikers Moyes has brought in;

    M.BENT
    BEATTIE
    JOHNSON
    YAKUBU
    SAHA
    BECKFORD

    Most of these either came to the club as prolific 20 goal-a-season striker OR had just ONE good season with us and left a shadow of what they once were.......WHY?

    Either they were all made to play as the lone striker and were all used to playing with a partner or they simply lost confidence.
    They all remind me of what Jelavic is going thru now.



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    i agree with most of what you say.

    marcus bent was never a good player anyway so i disagree that everton ruined him.  saha was old and ijury prone so i'd have to disagree with that one too.

    but i agree with all of the others. 

    beattie was brilliant for southampton and was banging in goals for fun.  he came to everton and we completely ruined him.  andy johnson was the same.  banging in goals at palace and putting in energetic perfromances. then he came to everton and we isolated him upfront and then started playing him on the wing.  beckford proved what a brilliant goalscorer he is by scoring 10 goals in his premier league debut season but we moyes didn't give him a chance.  and yakubu was the biggest shocker of all.  absolute goal machine.  one of the best finishes in premier league history.  has one good season for everton and then is finished.  and i don't blame it on his injury either.  he looked to be getting his confidence back and then as soon as he scored for the 1st time in about 10 games moyes dropped him the very next game.  there was no going back after that

    i don't nessecarily think the problem lies with playing only one striker.  you don't have to play 2 strikers to get the best out of them.  a lone striker can work but it's a about the style of play of the team and the players you have around the lone strikers.  if you are a very disciplined/organised/hard working side like everton with a very defensive mind manager and you play a holding midfielder (felliani) behind your main striker then obviously no matter how good your striker is he will struggle to score gaols

    if jelavic for a team like chelsea then it wouldn't be a problem if he played upfront on his own.  the reason fo this is because chelsea play attacking football and would have creative players like mata, oscar and hazard all in and around jelavic.  i doubt rafa benitez would play obi mikel behind jelavic
  • trim
    Posts: 194
    i used to like moyes before i read these posts. now i hate him.
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    david14 said:

    beattie was brilliant for southampton and was banging in goals for fun.  he came to everton and we completely ruined him.  


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    Nope. Beattie needed to play a certain type of football, Southampton suited him, it was just a bad signing all round for both parties as it was like tying to fit a square peg in a round hole. And he was lazy, on top of which he couldn;t handle the 6million quid fee on his head, just looked completely out of his depth at a club of our size.

    Moyes didnt fancy Beckford, because he had an attitude and was lazy (we ONLY signed him cos he was free and we didnt have any money to buy some one) By this sort of ethos we should have kept hold of Drenthe too, who was a completely bad egg. 
  • TonyTony
    Posts: 488
    Dont really recall too many of these already being a 20 goal a season prolific striker.
  • Knoxy2001e
    Posts: 1,423
    "Beckford - Did score goals for us but needed a lot of chances to do so."

    he moved up two leagues and got ten goals in his first season. felt he should have been given another season to prove  himself.

    marcus bent did a great job for us. the squad was so small that the team picked itself in those days. we played 4-5-1 and marcus was the one. he worked hard and earned our respect and gratitude for that.

    BEATTIE & JOHNSON just were not good enough. Saha was a crock.

    the Yak was injured and it took him a while to get back, i think he could have been given another season to prove himself.
  • beardblue boy
    Posts: 381
    I think Beckford should of been given another season....10 goals in your first season in the prem with not that many starts is pretty good.
  • scottinfrance139347
    Posts: 2,311
    i compare jelovic to markus bent at the minute, 7 goals from bent and 6 from jelly so far so he doesnt hacve alot to catch up but midfield needs to score alot more
  • david14
    Posts: 279
    sambo applecart said:

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    and that's the problem with everton.  beattie suited southampton but then he came to everton who are disciplined/organised/defensive and completely isolate the lone striker.  that's why it didn't work for beattie.  it wasn't a problem with him it was a problem with everton. 


  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    david14 said:

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    dont talk s_hit.

    so we have to adapt to him, but he cant adapt to us. 


  • EvertonfcNSNO
    Posts: 1,166
    this list is pretty laughable ... if you look at the real quality of these players the only one that had any and wasnt already crocked was the yak ... yak and beats had an attitude problem and just gave up ... saha was done ... beckford was terrible at playing with the team he just wanted to run in behind all the time ... aj was too weak of a player to hold anything up for us and unfortunately for us and him had a reputation of diving ... this whole thread was started because someone thinks that jela is already in the graveyard which is also laughable
  • david14
    Posts: 279
    thats why everton is the graveyard for strikers.  simple as that. 

    we isolate the lone striker. 

    if beattie would have went from southampton to a team other than everton he most likely would have carried on his good form and goal scoring.  as it stands though he came to everton and then everyone decided he was ****. 
  • david14
    Posts: 279
    EvertonfcNSNO said:

    this list is pretty laughable ... if you look at the real quality of these players the only one that had any and wasnt already crocked was the yak ... yak and beats had an attitude problem and just gave up ... saha was done ... beckford was terrible at playing with the team he just wanted to run in behind all the time ... aj was too weak of a player to hold anything up for us and unfortunately for us and him had a reputation of diving ... this whole thread was started because someone thinks that jela is already in the graveyard which is also laughable


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    haha everyone has got an attitute then ?  ok. 

    andy johnson, yakubu and beattie were all good players and good goal scorers before they came to everton.  after their spells with everton all 3 were finished
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,142
    david14 said:

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    any johnson was a good penalty taker. 
  • EvertonfcNSNO
    Posts: 1,166
    david14 said:

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    you're trying to talk about everton as if we were the same product when beats was playing as we are now ... completely different mentality and group of players ... and as for your lone striker gripe ... everyone is playing with a lone striker nowadays so dunno what you're trying to make a point about ... and beyond all that dont you think that as with newcastle when one striker is firing the other is just lost of form ... when ba was scoring cisse wasnt and when cisse was scoring ba wasnt ... the idea of playing two would damage a confidence more so than "isolating" a striker me thinks
  • EvertonfcNSNO
    Posts: 1,166
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    no i said beats and yak did saha beckford aj, and bent were fine ... i was saying that beckford couldnt work into the build up of the team ... and as for proven goal scorers i dont think you get that lower divisions aren't the same as the prem and for the yak the point has already been made that he could give a flying_fuck after his first season for any club
  • wocker
    Posts: 45
    what about kevin cambell and big dunc.EVERTON did not do them any harm
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