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Everton. a BIG Club?
  • AllAroundMyHat
    Posts: 807
    Moyes doesnt think we are a big club?

    Thoughts?


    Ross Barkley is another emerging talent to
    compliment the likes of Coleman and Jack Rodwell and Moyes knows giving
    youngsters opportunities is the way forward.


    "I've got to make sure that those players feel I believe in them," he continued.


    "I've told the supporters we'll be giving a lot of the young boys
    opportunities, and it'll be up to them to show that they can do it.


    "In turn, it could mean that some results don't go the way we want.


    "It's difficult for an EVERTON supporter to accept that because they see themselves as one of the big clubs.


  • ToffeeCup
    Posts: 3,160


    All this talk of big club, no transfer fees, no yakubu replacement (his price tag was that of our first choice striker even if he's sale fee wasn't), Arteta going and money being given to the banks... no one seems to be think how Moyes is feeling about all this.


    IMHO, everything he is saying is geared towards take his talk about Everton to the limit of what it is acceptable for him to say as Everton Manager.

    He's done it in the past with the CEO saying we'd spent money, then Moyes came out and said they'd spend nothing but Lescott cash.

    Now he's doing it again. Talking about young players, talking about how Everton want to see themselves. Talking about not replacing people and how people need to re-evaluate what they expect from Everton. Talking about giving money to the bank. Talking about us being unable to compete against Sunderland and Stoke in the transfer window.

    If you were on the board or the CEO... I think you wouldn't want to do much more as Moyes might say something that steps over that line, or maybe resign.

    Either way, I think he's been promised money in jan or next season, and I think he'll continue to talk in this way at times until he's spent it.
  • bluray1878213867
    Posts: 190
    were a sleeping giant, were on the same level as stoke and wolves at the moment, we havent been a big club for nearly 20 years.
  • blue stez
    Posts: 194
    we are NOT a big club, we are a MASSIVE CLUB COYBB
  • Warrington Dan
    Posts: 8,869
    I think we need to look for a new manager. By the sound of Moyes's tone he's going to top himself sometime soon. 
  • IhateRS
    Posts: 1,094
    bluray1878213867 said:

    were a sleeping giant, were on the same level as stoke and wolves at the moment, we havent been a big club for nearly 20 years.

    At least 1 x 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th finishes in a decade is more than Stoke, in what way are we on the same level as them?
    Stoke and wolves are rubbish, we are not. We have quality seniors, quality youth players, and a quality academy. Our long terma dn recent history is bigger, we are in no way that far down.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002

    IhateRS said:

    bluray1878213867 said:

    were a sleeping giant, were on the same level as stoke and wolves at the moment, we havent been a big club for nearly 20 years.

    At least 1 x 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th finishes in a decade is more than Stoke, in what way are we on the same level as them?
    Stoke and wolves are rubbish, we are not. We have quality seniors, quality youth players, and a quality academy. Our long terma dn recent history is bigger, we are in no way that far down.



    Difference is stoke are building there team, just got into europe and a fa cup final, and are slowly looking to build on that.  they are in the same position we were about 5 years ago.  they have a decent squad there now and are yet to reach their peak


    meanwhile we have had our peak which was 2009 when we reached the fa cup final  since then we have lost lescott, pienar and arteta in back to back seasons.  and look like losing fellaini aswell  

    we not catching up the top 6, we are standing still and hoping none of the teams below us over take us.  and bringing in loan signings as stop gaps hoping they come through.  any youth produce we have is immediately earmarked as a potential transfer so we can survive for another few years.

    you cant build a team like this


    moyes said in 2008 he had a 5 year plan, well he has 2 years left of this so lets see what he can produce.

  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,765
    Moyes is trying to play things down, its a bit obvious. Last season he couldn't wait for the season to start, this season he is taking one game at a time and he clearly doesn't want the same hype of last season. I think that Moyes will go at the end of his contract, and when he does, he will hopefully leave the new manager a good team. We have many talented youngsters in our squad and hopefully the older that get the better they will become.
  • tickets11
    Posts: 1,002
    11blue said:

    Moyes is trying to play things down, its a bit obvious. Last season he couldn't wait for the season to start, this season he is taking one game at a time and he clearly doesn't want the same hype of last season. I think that Moyes will go at the end of his contract, and when he does, he will hopefully leave the new manager a good team. We have many talented youngsters in our squad and hopefully the older that get the better they will become.



    how will he leave the manager with a good team.  he has already extended nevilles contract until 2013, i think he will extend distins contract to the same year.

    this will be the age of some of our players.

    jags-31

    hibbert-32

    saha-35-he will be long gone by then

    distin 35

    neville 36

    cahill 33

    osman 32

    howard 34


    thats what the new manager will inherit, 

    the team will be STRONGER for the next 2 years with those players mentioned above in the team, rather then moyes buying loads of youngsters.  and thats what moyes cares abuot the next 2 years, not whats going to happen to the team in 5 years time,.

  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,765
    What's your point?
  • IhateRS
    Posts: 1,094
    tickets11 said:

    11blue said:

    Moyes is trying to play things down, its a bit obvious. Last season he couldn't wait for the season to start, this season he is taking one game at a time and he clearly doesn't want the same hype of last season. I think that Moyes will go at the end of his contract, and when he does, he will hopefully leave the new manager a good team. We have many talented youngsters in our squad and hopefully the older that get the better they will become.



    how will he leave the manager with a good team.  he has already extended nevilles contract until 2013, i think he will extend distins contract to the same year.

    this will be the age of some of our players.

    jags-31

    hibbert-32

    saha-35-he will be long gone by then

    distin 35

    neville 36

    cahill 33

    osman 32

    howard 34


    thats what the new manager will inherit, 

    the team will be STRONGER for the next 2 years with those players mentioned above in the team, rather then moyes buying loads of youngsters.  and thats what moyes cares abuot the next 2 years, not whats going to happen to the team in 5 years time,.




    In two years time:

    Howard
    Baines
    Jags
    Heittinga
    Hibbert
    Coleman
    Rodwell
    Fellaini
    Barkley
    Drenthe (He'll stay)
    Vellios

    If Drenthe doesn't stay the money we save on the 10's of millions from the wages of the old boys will more than cover him and then you have the likes of Osman and Billy who will be entering the age of the players you listed... Also  the youth academy within a couple of years may well of produced more quality.
    All the time we are turning a profit because of the players not taking a wage so we will have some money for a replacement where required.

    No need to tie the noose above your bed quite yet.
    None of which make Stoke anywhere near as big a club as us.
  • milky71
    Posts: 9,117
    Am i right in thinking that stoke are building for the future with a 31 yr old crouch and a 33 year old upson.

  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 20,144
    I'm with tickets. Tickets knows everything.

  • 11blue
    Posts: 4,765
    milky71 said:

    Am i right in thinking that stoke are building for the future with a 31 yr old crouch and a 33 year old upson.



    And a 31 year old Woodgate.
  • milky71
    Posts: 9,117
    OldGoldenVision said:

    I'm with tickets. Tickets knows everything.




    Please read my Liverpool thread and reconsider this statemnet
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 20,144
    Milky, the man is a Genius (capital G). I am not worthy of questioning his impeccable knowledge of all things.  [-X 
  • sambo applecart
    Posts: 24,745
    OldGoldenVision said:

    I'm with tickets. Tickets knows everything.




    Im with OGV, cos if he is with tickets he must know everything too!
  • Baumans916
    Posts: 116
    I have no problem with EFC not being a big club....we can sneek up on those big clubs!
  • Beano
    Posts: 3,455
    tickets11 said:



    Difference is stoke are building there team, just got into europe and a fa cup final, and are slowly looking to build on that.  they are in the same position we were about 5 years ago.  they have a decent squad there now and are yet to reach their peak



    Stoke have 20 players who will be about 30 or more(Some a lot more) in 2 years ya dope!
  • koolhandluke8
    Posts: 3,035
    If you were listening to talksport last night with collymore theyw ere debating the all time greatest clubs in england....we have just been ranked as 5th all time greatest club apparently...dont know what the rankings were based on or who ranked them but i think it was trophies won and length of time in existence etc.....

    so there you have it...official !
  • mattyod
    Posts: 305
    Building for the future is a pile of crap. Wenger has been doing it for years but only succeeded in going backwards.

    If they are good enough they are old enough but like with a lot of youngster they dont fulfill their promise. We have got a good squad with a good mixture in 2 years time it will have changed. Give the youngsters a chance and if someone will offer a bid that meets our value sell him (Barkley 20 mill, Anichebe 20p.)

    Stoke have done what they think will give them a better chance of staying in the top flight and possibly push for top half. I certainly would not call it planning for the future.
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