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  • Winston Wolfe
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    zagan said:

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    Understand mate, should the consequence be educational or what approach do you think should be taken?
  • IdiAminDaDa
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    OldGoldenVision said:

    Has their volume/frequency of use changed with time as it transitioned?


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    Yep...
  • OldGoldenVision
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    I think if you look at any text book definition of addiction, it is implicit often explicit that there are adverse affects... If there aren't then can we really call it addiction?
  • Winston Wolfe
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    OldGoldenVision said:

    I think if you look at any text book definition of addiction, it is implicit often explicit that there are adverse affects... If there aren't then can we really call it addiction?


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    I had a gambling addiction....there were definite adverse affects.

    And that did more damage than any drugs I've ever taken,
  • zagan
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    Understand mate, should the consequence be educational or what approach do you think should be taken?


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    Rehabilitation, educational, probation (long screening) and if needed, prison.
  • OldGoldenVision
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    zagan said:

    Rehabilitation, educational, probation (long screening) and if needed, prison.


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    Who are you? What have you done with Zagan?
  • zagan
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    blue32years said:

    Are you serious ?

    How is someone f*cked on heroin of sound mind

    The examples I gave , are they the actions of a rationale person ?


    Weaning themselves off the drug given the oppurtunity ? Such as ?


    Theres 3 oppurtunities , methadone ( doesnt work )
    Controlled rehab ( cant be done on your own ) or death.



    Not an addict in the world that would wean themselves given unlimited supply of heroin


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    You are wrong on all accounts mate.... I know...
  • zagan
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    OldGoldenVision said:

    Who are you? What have you done with Zagan?


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    Haha!

    This is an area I feel very strong about.
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    How's they get an unlimited supply mate, out of interest?


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    It wasn't literally unlimited, they stated how much they thought they'd need and were provided with that amount on a regular basis. They got to the point that they weren't using all they were provided and over time, their use lessened. The doc didn't follow them up to the point of zero se so i can't comment on whether they fully stopped. I have a memory of it being conducted in this country, but it was probably just British researchers. The addicts were definitively British though, i remember one young woman saying just not having to worry about having to get heroin changed her life.
  • blue32years
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    Are they of sound mind ? No


    Therefore theyre f*cked


    Kin ell youre making it sound like as long as they have an endless supply it all ok.


    Its not
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    blue32years said:

    Sorry mate cant agree that any addict with an endless supply of heroin would wean off


    Youve discussed the effects of not having the access and what happens physically but not the fact that the drug itself damages the body regardless of withdrawal symptoms


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    Well i've seen addicts with an unlimited supply weaning themselves off it so i'm afraid you're wrong on this one mate. Of course it damages the body, it's a drug, i wasn't debating that, i never said it was healthy. 
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    blue32years said:

    Are they of sound mind ? No


    Therefore theyre f*cked


    Kin ell youre making it sound like as long as they have an endless supply it all ok.


    Its not


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    Why are they not sound of mind? They're not getting high, they're getting normal. 
  • sambo applecart
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    "legalizing certain drugs"

    So which ones do you think should/ could be legalised pal?


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    Like Deux says mate, if he wants to smoke pot, then its his choice, just the same as people who like to drink, they have the choice to do so, even if recommended not to.....just like smoking a cigarette, its people's choice...as for any other drugs....... i would possibly think of legalizing 'e'.....but then im probably a little bit biased because i've munched through hundreds of them and had a really good time whilst ive been doing it......on the other hand, whenever i've sniffed a bit of cocaine, i sometimes become a bit of a **** so i would probably say no to that....and the affect it can have on your snout in the long term......
    think the problem is mate, whichever 'circle' you mix in, drug wise, you could make an argument for why it should be legalized, but some one will always have a counter argument, its a very difficult subject for people to reach some kind of common ground on really.....
  • blue32years
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    Thats the daftest thing youve posted
  • Winston Wolfe
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    sambo applecart said:

    Like Deux says mate, if he wants to smoke pot, then its his choice, just the same as people who like to drink, they have the choice to do so, even if recommended not to.....just like smoking a cigarette, its people's choice...as for any other drugs....... i would possibly think of legalizing 'e'.....but then im probably a little bit biased because i've munched through hundreds of them and had a really good time whilst ive been doing it......on the other hand, whenever i've sniffed a bit of cocaine, i sometimes become a bit of a **** so i would probably say no to that....and the affect it can have on your snout in the long term......

    think the problem is mate, whichever 'circle' you mix in, drug wise, you could make an argument for why it should be legalized, but some one will always have a counter argument, its a very difficult subject for people to reach some kind of common ground on really.....


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    Pretty much agree with this, however whenever I use to sniff a bit of coke I always thought I was amazing.......
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    blue32years said:

    Thats the daftest thing youve posted


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    I'm not trying to win a point here and i'm not suggesting you are either, but, i've given you my take on it and Zagan has given you first hand testimony on it. You free to hold your opinion but i'll have to disagree with some of it. Speak to Zagan some more mate, it would seem he has a depth of experience and knowledge beyond ours.  :)
  • OldGoldenVision
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    Okay so that's Heroin done and out the way... Where do we stand on crack?
  • zagan
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    ^^^ stance still the same mate..... that includes "snowballs" (H + crack at the same time)
  • blue32years
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    Ill admit im looking at it from a medical aspect


    I dont care how anyone gets into it. Thats their business.

    For me its purely what it does to the body and its adverse affects on the person physically and mentally



    And thats not normal mate.

  • blue32years
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    But neither is putting a bottle of deodorant up ya
    @ rse


    And we get loads of them
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