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  • IdiAminDaDa
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    People can live ostensibly normal lives whilst bein' addicted to heroin for decades like, trust me...
  • blue32years
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

    Why does a heroin addict not have sound judgement? Because they once made a poor call? I'd say we've all done that. Heroin addicts are quite capable of making good decisions, like weening themselves of the drug given the opportunity.


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    Are you serious ?

    How is someone f*cked on heroin of sound mind

    The examples I gave , are they the actions of a rationale person ?


    Weaning themselves off the drug given the oppurtunity ? Such as ?


    Theres 3 oppurtunities , methadone ( doesnt work )
    Controlled rehab ( cant be done on your own ) or death.



    Not an addict in the world that would wean themselves given unlimited supply of heroin











  • blue32years
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    IdiAminDaDa said:

    People can live ostensibly normal lives whilst bein' addicted to heroin for decades like, trust me...


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    Name one :)
  • IdiAminDaDa
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    blue32years said:

    Name one :)


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    I've known several mate, professional job/career, wife, kids, money to be selective in sourcin' supply - some even 'ave a chemistry background like...
  • Winston Wolfe
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    IdiAminDaDa said:

    People can live ostensibly normal lives whilst bein' addicted to heroin for decades like, trust me...


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    So what you're is that it appears they can live a normal life but probably not then?
  • Winston Wolfe
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    IdiAminDaDa said:

    I've known several mate, professional job/career, wife, kids, money to be selective in sourcin' supply - some even 'ave a chemistry background like...


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    What about the one's without the coin?
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    blue32years said:

    Ive never in 15 years heard a heroin addict say they took heroin to feel normal.


    How did these addicts you know take full control of the drug ?


    And how would giving free heroin have helped ?


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    All i hear from heroin addicts is that they take it, not to get high, but to feel normal, it's a recurring theme. The addicts i'm referring to took control by having an unlimited supply and lessening their usage because they didn't have the worry of having none, the worry of the sickness of withdrawal. When given an unlimited supply, rather than go overboard and kill themselves, they took control. Giving out free heroin to addicts would benefit them and society by removing the criminal element in obtaining money to support the habit, and removing drug dealers because it's free. I'm not saying all heroin addicts would have the will power to ween themselves off it, but at the very least they'll not be financing criminals and further degrading society. 
  • OldGoldenVision
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    Idi, would you say they are addicted, or users from choice?
  • IdiAminDaDa
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    So what you're is that it appears they can live a normal life but probably not then?


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    Well, ha' is normal like? Is my life normal? Need to score some weed today like, do housework, sort meals and ge' me daughter from school etc. For the people mentioned, their addiction is a very normal aspect of their existence like...
  • Winston Wolfe
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    Good debate lads btw....without any abuse being thrown about.
  • IdiAminDaDa
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    What about the one's without the coin?


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    Well, 'ang abar a minute mate like, I made the claim tha' some addicts live normal lives on the surface, never once said they all do like...
  • IdiAminDaDa
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    OldGoldenVision said:

    Idi, would you say they are addicted, or users from choice?


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    Initially latter, now former, like...
  • ToffeeCup
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    Its probably fair to say that most reasonable professional folk could draw up a list of drugs that should not under any circumstances be made legal on health and societal harm grounds. Personally, I'd include heroin on that list.

    If you take that view, regardless of a government programme offering heroin to addicts as treatment/management, then there will still be a thriving black market for heroin with all the problems that creates on both the buy and sell sides.

    So the default position should be to eradicate heroin usage. Which is something resources could be better put towards if you removed other drugs of lesser damage when misused onto a legal footing.




    The whole drug debate is interesting though. Things are changing and governments are taking note. We are going from a "drugs are bad, mmmmmkay" blanket situations to a....the pharmaceutical and bio-tech industries are going to be bringing all sorts of stuff to the market soon and there is healthcare benefit and profit to be had......"mmmmkay maybe all drugs aren't bad"

  • Winston Wolfe
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    IdiAminDaDa said:

    Well, ha' is normal like? Is my life normal? Need to score some weed today like, do housework, sort meals and ge' me daughter from school etc. For the people mentioned, their addiction is a very normal aspect of their existence like...


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    Haha, I knew you were going to say that.....

    Smoked my first spliff in a longtime on Saturday, just the one like that a mate had given me....

    very enjoyable it was too.
  • Winston Wolfe
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    IdiAminDaDa said:

    Well, 'ang abar a minute mate like, I made the claim tha' some addicts live normal lives on the surface, never once said they all do like...


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    :-D
  • Deus Ex Machina
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    blue32years said:

    Are you serious ?

    How is someone f*cked on heroin of sound mind

    The examples I gave , are they the actions of a rationale person ?


    Weaning themselves off the drug given the oppurtunity ? Such as ?


    Theres 3 oppurtunities , methadone ( doesnt work )
    Controlled rehab ( cant be done on your own ) or death.



    Not an addict in the world that would wean themselves given unlimited supply of heroin


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    They're not ****** out of their minds. It has such little effect in getting them high that it becomes pointless for anything other than providing the feeling of not feeling sick. I've seen heroin addicts slowly wean themselves off it with an unlimited supply so your suggestion that no addict in the world would wean themselves off it is plainly ridiculous mate, seeing as i've seen it with my own eyes. 
  • Winston Wolfe
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    How's they get an unlimited supply mate, out of interest?
  • OldGoldenVision
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    IdiAminDaDa said:

    Initially latter, now former, like...


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    Has their volume/frequency of use changed with time as it transitioned?
  • zagan
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    This is all going to boil down to several factors, such as the person and mentality, society, area etc.

    I don't really want to get too far into this as I have 1st hand experience on what drugs can do to you, others on them and the people around you.

    I don't think it is the best idea to allow those with small amounts of drugs to walk away with little or no consequence.
  • blue32years
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    Deus Ex Machina said:

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    Sorry mate cant agree that any addict with an endless supply of heroin would wean off


    Youve discussed the effects of not having the access and what happens physically but not the fact that the drug itself damages the body regardless of withdrawal symptoms
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