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  • Deus Ex Machina
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    blue32years said:

    Theres not many things I state as fact


    But being addicted to heroin can in no way be leading a healthy normal life.


    No chance. I know that for a fact


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    A heroin addict can live a normal working life when provided with the means to remove the need to obtain the addictive drug. To suggest otherwise is quite ridiculous tbh mate. I've seen it with my own eyes and heard 'testimony' from those who do it on a daily basis. Listen to any heroin addict and it's the same story, they no longer get a buzz, it's about sustaining normality. 



  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,448
    I might be wrong Deus, so I apologise if I am, but that sounds like saying given an alky a coupla free cans a day and he'll sort himself out and lead a normal life?
  • Winston Wolfe
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    OldGoldenVision said:

    I might be wrong Deus, so I apologise if I am, but that sounds like saying given an alky a coupla free cans a day and he'll sort himself out and lead a normal life?


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    Are you not meant to be working from home.....
  • blue32years
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    So ..... Let me get this straight



    You are seriously saying a heroin ' addict ' can lead a ' healthy ' , ' normal ' life ?


    And access to free heroin would only be for the better ?


    Because they'd no longer get the buzz ?


    You think a heroin addict once they are addicted to it does it for a buzz ?



    Youre wrong. Theres no discussion pal. Its not even open to debate. A heroin addict cannot lead any normal life.


    The only way to stop a heroin addict is rehab ( no methadone ) or overdose.



    Youre a bright lad deux but right now youre talking out your **** mate.


  • OldGoldenVision
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    Winston Wolfe said:

    Are you not meant to be working from home.....


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    I am... I can multitask... Drafting a deed of variation to a development agreement in between making sure you lot don't forget about me...
  • escla
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    Can you pat your head and rub your tummy at the same time too ?
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,448
    escla said:

    Can you pat your head and rub your tummy at the same time too ?


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    No... but if anyone asks... I said yes...
  • Deus Ex Machina
    Posts: 3,202
    blue32years said:

    So ..... Let me get this straight



    You are seriously saying a heroin ' addict ' can lead a ' healthy ' , ' normal ' life ?


    And access to free heroin would only be for the better ?


    Because they'd no longer get the buzz ?


    You think a heroin addict once they are addicted to it does it for a buzz ?



    Youre wrong. Theres no discussion pal. Its not even open to debate. A heroin addict cannot lead any normal life.


    The only way to stop a heroin addict is rehab ( no methadone ) or overdose.



    Youre a bright lad deux but right now youre talking out your **** mate.


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    I appreciate you using a delicate touch there mate but it's not necessary, tell it like it is. At this point i think, even with your work experience, you are talking out of your ****. I've seen heroin addicts living normal lives given control of their addictions. Is it a healthy life? I doubt it. But they have no problem whatsoever in going to work on a daily basis and they didn't need to go out and rob people to support their habit. 
  • Deus Ex Machina
    Posts: 3,202
    OldGoldenVision said:

    I might be wrong Deus, so I apologise if I am, but that sounds like saying given an alky a coupla free cans a day and he'll sort himself out and lead a normal life?


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    An alcoholic would have seriously impaired judgement for a sustained period so no.
  • ToffeeCup
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    True, Saville was able to live a normal life. Just so long as the BBC kept up with a good supply of kids...
  • blue32years
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    1. If youre an addict its neither healthy or normal
    2. Going to work doesnt mean they are functioning
    3. How have these addicts youve seen been given
    control of their addiction ?


    Free heroin isnt giving someone control of their addiction, its giving them free heroin.
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,448
    Only heroin addicts I have known... when given stuff free... use more... 
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,221
    You arent implying deus that heroin addicts have sound judgement ?

    I must see everyday the wrong kind of addict then
    because threatening staff with knifes , biting and punching doctors and nursres isnt rationale behaviour.
  • BlueShark
    Posts: 1,396
    blue32years said:

    1. If youre an addict its neither healthy or normal
    2. Going to work doesnt mean they are functioning
    3. How have these addicts youve seen been given
    control of their addiction ?


    Free heroin isnt giving someone control of their addiction, its giving them free heroin.



    Exactly, it's not conquering the addiction it's maintaining it.

    I do not see how this idea is going to put off potential new addicts either - if you are basically saying 'here, try an addictive (and damaging) drug...we'll even let you have as much as you want for free' then what, realistically, are you trying to achieve?
  • BlueShark
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  • Deus Ex Machina
    Posts: 3,202
    blue32years said:

    1. If youre an addict its neither healthy or normal
    2. Going to work doesnt mean they are functioning
    3. How have these addicts youve seen been given
    control of their addiction ?


    Free heroin isnt giving someone control of their addiction, its giving them free heroin.


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    What you or I consider to be normal isn't definitive. You brought healthy into it, i just said normal. If yo listen to heroin addicts you'll hear the same thing over and over, i take it to feel normal. The addicts i saw took control of their habits by having full control of the drug and with that control (the ability to not have to worry about the next score) to ween themselves of the drug slowly. They're doing it of their own free will rather than being forced to stop. 
  • Deus Ex Machina
    Posts: 3,202
    blue32years said:

    You arent implying deus that heroin addicts have sound judgement ?

    I must see everyday the wrong kind of addict then
    because threatening staff with knifes , biting and punching doctors and nursres isnt rationale behaviour.


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    Why does a heroin addict not have sound judgement? Because they once made a poor call? I'd say we've all done that. Heroin addicts are quite capable of making good decisions, like weening themselves of the drug given the opportunity.
  • OldGoldenVision
    Posts: 19,448
    Can I just add another dimension to this... the couple I knew who were addicted... if given quality government supported heroin... would have sold it for a premium and bought lots more street stuff... 
  • blue32years
    Posts: 16,221
    Ive never in 15 years heard a heroin addict say they took heroin to feel normal.


    How did these addicts you know take full control of the drug ?


    And how would giving free heroin have helped ?


  • Winston Wolfe
    Posts: 4,604
    Deus Ex Machina said:

    Why does a heroin addict not have sound judgement? Because they once made a poor call? I'd say we've all done that. Heroin addicts are quite capable of making good decisions, like weening themselves of the drug given the opportunity.


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    So you really think they would wean themselves off it if it was free?
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