Deus Ex Machina

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December 2012 It's not close to having had a friend die from drugs, but I've seen first hand the effect that has on the friends of said friend, I still say certain drugs need to be decriminalised, E and weed for sure. E would be a serious alternative to alcohol and if made to a professional standard, either commercially or privately, would put booze in its grave imo. As for weed, that's a different matter. I'd make it legal to grow but illegal for 1 person to have more than 4 plants growing at any one time. Obviously still illegal to sell it, but people should be given the choice if they want to turn down the lights on this monstrosity of a world that's evolved.

I'd also decriminilise Heroin and make it free on the NHS, if only to stop addicts having to ruin the lives of those subjected to their need for the next fix. Anything addictive should be free tbh, take away the market.

Deus Ex Machina

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December 2012 You can never legislate for individuals, neither should you imo. Each and every person has the personal choice to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt someone else, but if they aren't mentally capable then control is necessary. Otherwise, do as you please.

I realise there are consequences to such decisions but I honestly believe they'd be less than the current system. Scientific drug professionals etc. would overwhelmingly support decriminalisation (not necessarily my version).

blue32years

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December 2012 I wouldnt go as far as saying you start on one you will ultimately lead to others

What does annoy me ( not seen much of it in here ) is this myth that certain drugs are perfectly safe.
Supposedly qualified friends that say there are no adverse effects from weed , ecstasy etc

Yes....there is


There is every drug. Including alcohol

But lets not pretend they are wonder drugs and it would solve the world.

Deus Ex Machina

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December 2012 What I'm saying is that in comparison to alcohol, E is petty, in terms of side effects. Does it have side effects? Yes, the two day blues. Vastly less impacting than alcohol. Weed never hurt me. Does it effect people differently? Yes. But people don't run around smashing things up after a few spliffs.

Alcohol is a poison, E and weed aren't.

Also, if addicts didn't have to rob to support their habit, there wouldn't be a problem. Make it free and there isn't a problem.

Snowcone

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December 2012 I've an idea, you put up a sign for "FREE DRUGS" When everyone comes to collect them they are lead straight to a gas chamber. 

Deus Ex Machina

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December 2012

blue32years said:

Thats my point they are all poison.
Anything in excess is.

Your point seems to be how it effects everyone as
as a whole rather than individuals.

Tell the parents of kids who have died using an E that its not bad thing. Thats not me preaching ive done alsorts.


As for free heroin ? Serious ?

Who pays for that ?
How much ' free ' heroin ?


What happens when they want more ?

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If they're all poison, why make some illegal and not alcohol? The poison that does the most damage to society yet is encouraged. If they're all poison then let people make the choice on how to end things.

Why would you focus upon an individual where drugs are concerned when the official party lines don't differentiate? If it doesn't matter for alcohol then it should be a free for all where drugs are concerned. Will it effect parents differently? Of course. So does alcohol but you don't see the government doing anything other than raise the price.

Heroin should be free of charge PERMANENTLY! If an addict needs it to go about their daily tasks then that's what it takes. How much do you think it would cost to supply it if we produce it ourselves? Just take out the middle man and let them lead "normal" lives without having to worry themselves to death (and rob others) over where the next hit is coming from.

Winston Wolfe

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December 2012

OldGoldenVision said:

See... me mate was heavy in to e's and weed... Now I won't go all daily mail and say smokin weed means you'll end up on heroin... but there's a type of personality that once they've tried something... they'll push it... and try summit new and summit new and so on.. before yer know it... bang... For what it's worth... he started out as an alky... I just don't know the answer... Yer just can't legislate for individuals... maybe that would go close... kind of a personal licence... prove you can cope...

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Thing about it is....people say marijuana is a gateway drug....normally these people have never smoked a blunt in their lives.

It's a bit animal farm really (not the beastiality flick) in that if you tell people something often and loudly enough they believe you.

The first drug I ever took was alcohol....from there I started smoking weed before going onto dabble in other areas.....so what was the gateway drug....weed or alcohol?

As far as I am concerned it is all down to the individual - I have mates who would have took pills but wouldn't smoke or even drink.....mates who would haved smoked a spliff and that was it, no alcohol or no harder drugs.

I am completely for drugs being decriminalised except heroin, crack and meth lol.

i have seen the damage that alcohol can do to families over prolonged periods of time and seen alcoholism pass on from generation to generation. I have seen the damage it can do to people on a Friday night, my mate was put in a coma and on life support cos he walked into two drunks on his way home from a night out who gave him a kicking, fortunately he survived.

And....if I had to make a theoretical choice between decriminalising alcohol or weed.....I'd pick weed every day of the week.

And I loooooove a good drink.

Winston Wolfe

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December 2012

blue32years said:

Ill ask again


Who funds this ' free ' heroin

Are you telling the addict who has had his weeks supply no they cant have anymore ? Thats left to the likes of me.

Addicts wont go into hiding because its free,

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Agree with this like.....Heroin takes away you're dignity.....You become something like off the walking dead.....

Only I'd rather take a blowie of a zombie than some junkie.

Deus Ex Machina

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December 2012

Snowcone said:

Heres the thing though, you ban alcohol, millions of pounds of tax is lost to the treasury. You produce heroin for free it costs the govt money. The people you give it to won't be working and will draw benefits, the more addicts you are creating by making it easier for them will draw benefits.

Who pays for it? D'kheads like us.

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Will it create more addicts though? By offering free Heroin you would obviously make it clear as to why it's necessary and the only legal place to obtain it would be via the government. The dealers would have no custom, they'd try but when it's free they're fighting a losing battle. Who pays for the resulting actions of current Heroin addicts? Us of course. Be it via the police, rehab centres or general disorder. In the long run it'll cost less to give them the freedom of not being dependant on criminals and being able to look forward without having their focus being on Heroin.

As for taxes. How about taxing E! Tax intake is no reason for letting people destroy themselves with alcohol, if that were the sole reason then alcohol would be destroying society, oh wait!

Deus Ex Machina

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December 2012

blue32years said:

Ill ask again


Who funds this ' free ' heroin

Are you telling the addict who has had his weeks supply no they cant have anymore ? Thats left to the likes of me.

Addicts wont go into hiding because its free,

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They also won't go on the rob either, unless they're that way inclined. Unlike drunks, who'll do whatever strikes them whilst intoxicated b