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an old saying I was taught- message for the anti kenwright brigade and BU
  • thedan
    Posts: 1
    Hi all .I have read all the articles and listened to the interviews from all sides over the past number of weeks and have reached the following conclusions
    \\firstly I want to say I struggle to say anything bad about Mr kenwright.i can see his point totally that when he took over we we as fans looked at the fixture list to see who we had on final day for fear of the drop rather then as has been in recent yrs looked at opening fixtures to see how well we might start. I also have can see the merit in the argument that we have consistently been a top 8 club for last 5 yrs and this is an achievement worth noting.In fact the history lesson of our club in the Moyes era cannot be argued with.
    It is here though where i think the board and the many club spokepeople are missing the point of what us fans are saying.While we probably all accept we are a long way from where we were 10 yrs ago ,It is the next 10yrs we are concerned with.The evidence of the last two seasons has been that our progress has at best stalled and the warning signs are there of a possible terminal decline.
    As Martin luther king said...... If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward." We may as has been pointed out by many been lucky in an era of dodgy owners to have had a true blue in charge but if he cant even raise a crawl or find someone who can all the good work of the last 10 yrs will be wasted and we will return to looking at the final day fixtures again.

  • Nismo
    Posts: 41
    thedan said:

    Hi all .I have read all the articles and listened to the interviews from all sides over the past number of weeks and have reached the following conclusions
    \\firstly I want to say I struggle to say anything bad about Mr kenwright.i can see his point totally that when he took over we we as fans looked at the fixture list to see who we had on final day for fear of the drop rather then as has been in recent yrs looked at opening fixtures to see how well we might start. I also have can see the merit in the argument that we have consistently been a top 8 club for last 5 yrs and this is an achievement worth noting.In fact the history lesson of our club in the Moyes era cannot be argued with.
    It is here though where i think the board and the many club spokepeople are missing the point of what us fans are saying.While we probably all accept we are a long way from where we were 10 yrs ago ,It is the next 10yrs we are concerned with.The evidence of the last two seasons has been that our progress has at best stalled and the warning signs are there of a possible terminal decline.
    As Martin luther king said...... If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward." We may as has been pointed out by many been lucky in an era of dodgy owners to have had a true blue in charge but if he cant even raise a crawl or find someone who can all the good work of the last 10 yrs will be wasted and we will return to looking at the final day fixtures again.



    Great first post.. And one i agree with
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    thedan said:

    Hi all .I have read all the articles and listened to the interviews from all sides over the past number of weeks and have reached the following conclusions
    \\firstly I want to say I struggle to say anything bad about Mr kenwright.i can see his point totally that when he took over we we as fans looked at the fixture list to see who we had on final day for fear of the drop rather then as has been in recent yrs looked at opening fixtures to see how well we might start. I also have can see the merit in the argument that we have consistently been a top 8 club for last 5 yrs and this is an achievement worth noting.In fact the history lesson of our club in the Moyes era cannot be argued with.
    It is here though where i think the board and the many club spokepeople are missing the point of what us fans are saying.While we probably all accept we are a long way from where we were 10 yrs ago ,It is the next 10yrs we are concerned with.The evidence of the last two seasons has been that our progress has at best stalled and the warning signs are there of a possible terminal decline.
    As Martin luther king said...... If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward." We may as has been pointed out by many been lucky in an era of dodgy owners to have had a true blue in charge but if he cant even raise a crawl or find someone who can all the good work of the last 10 yrs will be wasted and we will return to looking at the final day fixtures again.



    Indeed!

    I would like someone to give the same analysis on here but with a positive outlook? I am yet to see it. The only thing I see from anti-BU brigade is abuse and childish remarks of, 'you apply for the job if you think you can do better'.
    I for one am all for being proven to that the current board can do a job for the next 10 years, but I'm yet to see any evidence of this.
    The only evidence that exists is indeed the opposite.
    If they can't sell the club after 4 years, how do they propose to so it now?
    If they have had 2 failed stadium plans, and of their own admission, have no plan b how do they propose to move us on?
    If they don't have a penny to spend how do they propose to invest in the team?
    I'm not making this up, this is all stuff from the boards mouth and none of it looks promising for the future of Everton.

    SO like I've requested a few times already, can someone who still has believe in the board please explain and enlighten me as to why??
  • koolhandluke8
    Posts: 3,007
    bluedayz said:

    thedan said:

    Hi all .I have read all the articles and listened to the interviews from all sides over the past number of weeks and have reached the following conclusions
    \\firstly I want to say I struggle to say anything bad about Mr kenwright.i can see his point totally that when he took over we we as fans looked at the fixture list to see who we had on final day for fear of the drop rather then as has been in recent yrs looked at opening fixtures to see how well we might start. I also have can see the merit in the argument that we have consistently been a top 8 club for last 5 yrs and this is an achievement worth noting.In fact the history lesson of our club in the Moyes era cannot be argued with.
    It is here though where i think the board and the many club spokepeople are missing the point of what us fans are saying.While we probably all accept we are a long way from where we were 10 yrs ago ,It is the next 10yrs we are concerned with.The evidence of the last two seasons has been that our progress has at best stalled and the warning signs are there of a possible terminal decline.
    As Martin luther king said...... If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward." We may as has been pointed out by many been lucky in an era of dodgy owners to have had a true blue in charge but if he cant even raise a crawl or find someone who can all the good work of the last 10 yrs will be wasted and we will return to looking at the final day fixtures again.



    Indeed!

    I would like someone to give the same analysis on here but with a positive outlook? I am yet to see it. The only thing I see from anti-BU brigade is abuse and childish remarks of, 'you apply for the job if you think you can do better'.
    I for one am all for being proven to that the current board can do a job for the next 10 years, but I'm yet to see any evidence of this.
    The only evidence that exists is indeed the opposite.
    If they can't sell the club after 4 years, how do they propose to so it now?
    If they have had 2 failed stadium plans, and of their own admission, have no plan b how do they propose to move us on?
    If they don't have a penny to spend how do they propose to invest in the team?
    I'm not making this up, this is all stuff from the boards mouth and none of it looks promising for the future of Everton.

    SO like I've requested a few times already, can someone who still has believe in the board please explain and enlighten me as to why??



    This is the only post i'm going to contribute to this debate.....so i wont answer any replies (if there are any)

    This is the problem though BLUEDAYZ....you ask to be convinced but wont/dont listen and accept the reasoning behind whats being stated to you....you come back with your ( i wont say arguments.. although they are ) opinions !!!

    Hence you'll never be convinced.....and so your "negativity" your words... will remain...
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    anybody ever thought of giving ice hockey a blast??
  • bluedayz
    Posts: 120
    koolhandluke8 said:

    bluedayz said:

    thedan said:

    Hi all .I have read all the articles and listened to the interviews from all sides over the past number of weeks and have reached the following conclusions
    \\firstly I want to say I struggle to say anything bad about Mr kenwright.i can see his point totally that when he took over we we as fans looked at the fixture list to see who we had on final day for fear of the drop rather then as has been in recent yrs looked at opening fixtures to see how well we might start. I also have can see the merit in the argument that we have consistently been a top 8 club for last 5 yrs and this is an achievement worth noting.In fact the history lesson of our club in the Moyes era cannot be argued with.
    It is here though where i think the board and the many club spokepeople are missing the point of what us fans are saying.While we probably all accept we are a long way from where we were 10 yrs ago ,It is the next 10yrs we are concerned with.The evidence of the last two seasons has been that our progress has at best stalled and the warning signs are there of a possible terminal decline.
    As Martin luther king said...... If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward." We may as has been pointed out by many been lucky in an era of dodgy owners to have had a true blue in charge but if he cant even raise a crawl or find someone who can all the good work of the last 10 yrs will be wasted and we will return to looking at the final day fixtures again.



    Indeed!

    I would like someone to give the same analysis on here but with a positive outlook? I am yet to see it. The only thing I see from anti-BU brigade is abuse and childish remarks of, 'you apply for the job if you think you can do better'.
    I for one am all for being proven to that the current board can do a job for the next 10 years, but I'm yet to see any evidence of this.
    The only evidence that exists is indeed the opposite.
    If they can't sell the club after 4 years, how do they propose to so it now?
    If they have had 2 failed stadium plans, and of their own admission, have no plan b how do they propose to move us on?
    If they don't have a penny to spend how do they propose to invest in the team?
    I'm not making this up, this is all stuff from the boards mouth and none of it looks promising for the future of Everton.

    SO like I've requested a few times already, can someone who still has believe in the board please explain and enlighten me as to why??



    This is the only post i'm going to contribute to this debate.....so i wont answer any replies (if there are any)

    This is the problem though BLUEDAYZ....you ask to be convinced but wont/dont listen and accept the reasoning behind whats being stated to you....you come back with your ( i wont say arguments.. although they are ) opinions !!!

    Hence you'll never be convinced.....and so your "negativity" your words... will remain...


    Still I get a load of criticism and no opinion for me to LISTEN to......... typical!

    I didn't expect a reasonable answer and I don't expect a reply. Not because you've stated you won't reply but you have nothing to reply with, you just want to say I'm wrong! Forums are for discussions, give me a discussion with the aim of trying to convince me why I should think otherwise as I have given reasons as to why I think as I do, and I'll happily listen :)

    P.S. Your response of "I won't answer any replies" Is a cop out. Your taking tips off the board there I see pal.
  • koolhandluke8
    Posts: 3,007
    oK i SHALL respond...i din't want to originally as this whole BU issue is IMO getting boring now and only giving rise to a pointless group.. MY OPINION...

    firstly i certainly wasn't criticising merely stating my opinion !

    secondly in response to your nothing to reply with comment..we have debated in past posts so obviously i do have something to reply with...and this just enforces my origianl point in that you dont/wont listen,,,

    thirdly I have NEVER stated your wrong !! i have put down the arguments you give back on my opinions...to which you respond with further arguments you call your opinions !! fair enough...

    fourthy forums are for discussions but discussions become pointless when 1 side of the discussion doesn't wish to listen ..hence my stating i wouldn't reply....

    fifthly ..i wont even try to convince you because your so far down the anti BK/Board track you wont be convinced....as per a thread i read just know with blacktoffees thread..(which made me respond to this as it greatly emphasises my main point)

    sixth point..i was reading a week or so ago a thread you were involved in (around about the time i noticed you on here for the first time) where you stated ....something like dont qoute me " i'm not bothered re the finances and debt...i'm a fan and it's what happens on the pitch that concerns me" or words to that effect...yet every post you put up here is re the boards/BK inadequecies....you even jump into threads not about the board/BK/BU and put a "inadequecy" dig in.

    final point...you constantly state..it's your opinion but most times it's not your opinion its your assumption...the example being
    "He can't even sell the club," YOUR OPINION...."if indeed it has been up for sale all this time."YOUR ASSUMPTION
    BK says he wants to seel the club2"....."but cant because he's asking too much" your assumption...

    everyone is entitled to their opinion..whether others like it or not...and i never state or argue otherwise...just sometimes though their opinions (and mine ) just may be wrong............

    it's my opinion that....even though you ask tobe convinced...you never will be...no matter what is said...ask blacktoffee



    so see i haven't "copped out" and i'm not taking tips off the board (see another dig from yourself) in a post not concerning he board /BK/BU.....

    point proven methinks...
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